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“It isn’t just a matter of wins and losses; it’s how you do it. If you lose by a field goal and play well, that’s a little bit different than getting blown out three or four times. I tried to make sure that they completely understood. It isn’t all about winning and losing. Believe me, I understand that. If you lose a fairly large number of games by a significant margin and you have fairly good players, which I think we do, then I think there are some systemic issues."
Tom Osborne statement….HMMM…of course this was from 2007, but it could have been said this morning…and it would mean the same thing to me.
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“It isn’t just a matter of wins and losses; it’s how you do it. If you lose by a field goal and play well, that’s a little bit different than getting blown out three or four times. I tried to make sure that they completely understood. It isn’t all about winning and losing. Believe me, I understand that. If you lose a fairly large number of games by a significant margin and you have fairly good players, which I think we do, then I think there are some systemic issues."
Tom Osborne statement….HMMM…of course this was from 2007, but it could have been said this morning…and it would mean the same thing to me.
This post was edited by Khoolshady on 12/4/2012 at 8:56 AM
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Husker Z said...
While i see your point, I would encourage you to go back and look at the year he's talking about. He was talking about a bowl-less team that had given up 76 to freaking KU, needed a dropped pass to beat Ball State at home, 41-6 at MU, had the stands cleared by halftime at homecoming, then finished off the season by giving up almost 70 to Colo-freaking-rado.
While our OSU loss was ugly, they are a 12-0 team, undefeated. The UW loss stings, no doubt, we flat got beat up for 60 mintues, it was like the UW of 2 and 3 years ago when they would just run roughshod over teams the entire game. A perfect storm of them being healthy and us being beat up on the DL?? Kids too hyped up, too much pressure of winning 6 in a row? Hell if I know, but PLEASE don't try to compare this season to that 2007 season. As a wise man once said, it ain't in the same ballpark, it ain't even the same f'n sport!
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I see what you are saying, and 2012 is not 2007.
2007 was for the most part a disaster season. This is not a disaster, but still raises a lot of the same questions in my mind, Therefore, I felt TO's comment from 2007 was relevant today due to "How the loses took place".
OSU is unbeaten, but not unbeatable by any stretch and they owned us. UCLA, although close in score, was not close. All time record for yards gained on our D. And now the Wisconsin game. Another embarrassing loss on National TV and the all time rush yards allowed in our storied history. Because of how these losses took place, I think there are "systemic issues"......scheme, development, preparation, etc.
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Husker Z said...
One that that is extremely troubling about this team though, to me, is when things start to go south and we don't bounce right back, things snowball like crazy and games get WAY out of hand. I don't know what it is, but that is tough. It's like when one side of the ball starts to go south the other side presses and they BOTH go in the tank. I don't get it.
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cmurchison said...
Seriously? They don't bounce back? How many double digit second half deficits did they overcome this year? Yes, things snowballed against OSU and Wisconsin but to say that is the story of the season is simply wrong -- it is what happened against 2 talented opponents away from home.
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The problems I see are with the talent level on the DL and LB, we just aren't good enough at those positions right now. In my mind anyway. There is nothing even close to a Suh or a Lavonte, granted those are two of the best, but there isn't anyone on the 2 deep that is even close to that level. Not that I can see anyway.
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The problems I see are with the talent level on the DL and LB, we just aren't good enough at those positions right now. In my mind anyway. There is nothing even close to a Suh or a Lavonte, granted those are two of the best, but there isn't anyone on the 2 deep that is even close to that level. Not that I can see anyway.
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cmurchison said...
I would agree that our upper classmen at LB and DL are not very good and are not quick/fast. We have known that all year. The LBs and DLs from last year's class provide hope (because we don't know any better). I agree with your view that our lack of talent on the DL and LB is curious and upsetting. That Nebraska did as well as it did with that talent is also something worth thinking about.
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k9_r said...
And neither does anyone else.
Everyone has an opinion, a thousand voices going in a thousand different directions. But when there are no clear answers to a loss like this one, well...., that's the most vexing thing of all. Good God, even Wisconsin people can't explain this result.
This 70-31 result is just too perplexing. And we have to live with it.
In the end, I do believe it's players. I believe that this loss is the crop we harvested from those '08 and '09 recruiting classes. Maybe the answer is simply this - we have had more wins than those classes were entitled to. Entitled by talent, if you know what I mean.
Something entitled us to all these wins. Maybe that 'something' is heart. Maybe it's scheme. Probably, we won all those games with a combination of selective talent at running back, receiver corps, scheme and, yes, coaching. This along with 'heart' and 'want-to'. I don't know but we sure won a lot of games. Wins that did not come from Aaron Graham talent or Zach Wiegert or Jason Peter or Ralph Brown talent. Or...., oh, you get it.
A lot of wins, yes...., but maybe, as HuskerSF said in another thread, those wins were made by smoke and mirrors. Sounds about right to me. Squeeze a water balloon and it will bulge out somewhere else. Squeeze it too hard and it bursts. 70-31?
It's not the X's and O's, it's the Jimmies and Joes.
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Khoolshady said...
,,not so fast my friend! With due respect to Sir / Prof Tom Osborne that statement was directed at Mr. Callahan in 2007 not Coach Bo in 2012. So if that means the same to you i respect you for your opinion Sir. But not to me because i see it just a little differently. There is more that systemic issues with Coach Bo; i dont know what it is.
Quick synopsis, in 2009 Coach Bo had the # 1 defense in the nation! Since it's been down hill man. Even with 48-19 record in five years appears not bad, a likely 10-4 season is not acceptable at Nebraska in 2012
I don't have answers but 'am sure the AD is closely monitoring the situation. Recruiting for sure must be better; location of Lincoln is no excuse (different thread). It's been over 10 years since we played for a NC and 13 years since we won a Conference Championship. Something must change at Nebraska i have no clue what that is or when it should happen.
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Kram said...
I agree that there are "systemic issues" and these type of issues usually can be found in the HC. The team takes on the persona of its HC so maybe Bo needs to reevaluate how he is doing things. As the HC Bo is the system so if that is where the problem is then maybe Bo should look into it. Something needs to be done and am confident Bo will find the solution.
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HuskerB said...
“It isn’t just a matter of wins and losses; it’s how you do it. If you lose by a field goal and play well, that’s a little bit different than getting blown out three or four times. I tried to make sure that they completely understood. It isn’t all about winning and losing. Believe me, I understand that. If you lose a fairly large number of games by a significant margin and you have fairly good players, which I think we do, then I think there are some systemic issues."
Tom Osborne statement….HMMM…of course this was from 2007, but it could have been said this morning…and it would mean the same thing to me.
This post was edited by 602Husker on 12/4/2012 at 4:02 PM
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alohahusker said...
This makes sense to me. Just thinking that I don't need to invest a great deal of angst into this situation......its the AD's job. After Bo went down at halftime, with stress, I stay back from the pile.
Khool, do you have any thoughts about Tom stepping down before this turned into a situtation like the last coach?
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! You are in small company if you think BO will change in anyway. His BIG ego gets in the way. Furthermore, he will eventually coach himself out of a job@ His place is in the NFL!


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