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  • Good read, unfortunately it's only depressing as there seems to be no answers in sight.

    BTW, it's not just about Heard.

    This post was edited by 602Husker on 1/31/2013 at 12:30 PM

    Shatel: Few answers, troubling questions in Heard story - Omaha.com

    It's an old story. College football player must wait his turn. Becomes disgruntled. Leaves to find greener grass to run on.

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  • Good article. The player management by Bo is terrible.

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  • Sounds like Tom can't get his facts straight on Todd Peat Jr. and Ryan Klachko or Tyler Moore. Aaron wasn't willing to hang-in to out work and out compete Ameer, and then Rex gets hurt. If he'd stayed and out competed Ameer he might have been the feature back last year. Of course then Braylon would have been just as butt hurt, as he wouldn't have out worked Ameer. Ohio State loses a 4-star RB and 4-star OL and can't bring Clark on board. I guess Urban is just as much a failure at roster management as Bo, what a putz he is.

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  • Reads like Shatel is having an off day here. Nothing new or very interesting.

    Benning and Sharpe, this morning, quoted a source stating that 47% of RB's transfer or change position in the first two years. Something like that. Now there's a story worth developing.

    A lot of this going on everywhere. And this year there's a lot of de-commits and late shuffling of recruits around the CFB world.

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  • Maybe Heard was afraid be being dropped down the depth chart when Newby came to campus? Heard was an outside runner but not a between the tackles runner. Could Ameer have been sprared some? Sure. what is the point about Ameer being tired during the last 2 regular season games before the Big 10 conference game? Did Ameer have a single thing to do with Nebraska getting crushed by Wisconsin? Nope. In the bowl game, Rex was back, so again, what's the point?

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  • Zonie87 said...

    Sounds like Tom can't get his facts straight on Todd Peat Jr. and Ryan Klachko or Tyler Moore. Aaron wasn't willing to hang-in to out work and out compete Ameer, and then Rex gets hurt. If he'd stayed and out competed Ameer he might have been the feature back last year. Of course then Braylon would have been just as butt hurt, as he wouldn't have out worked Ameer. Ohio State loses a 4-star RB and 4-star OL and can't bring Clark on board. I guess Urban is just as much a failure at roster management as Bo, what a putz he is.

    I didn't see in the article where he spoke to why Green left.

    NU has had four high-profile recruits leave in the past year: defensive tackle Todd Peat Jr., offensive tackle Tyler Moore, running back Aaron Green and guard Ryan Klachko. Their reasons were different. Girlfriend, homesick, this thing, that thing.

    Seems like he is giving two generic reasons and doesn't assign them to any one particular person. I take his point to mean that guys leave for different reasons and it doesn't really matter why they left, the fact is that they left the program.

    602Husker

  • k9_r said...

    Benning and Sharpe, this morning, quoted a source stating that 47% of RB's transfer or change position in the first two years. Something like that. Now there's a story worth developing.

    I trying to locate that report Damon referenced this morning, the RB numbers at Nebraska since '02, I think it was, were amazing.

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  • The last line of Shatel's story is all you need to know that his write-up is pretty useless. "Nebraska cannot afford to lose its top talent." Heard came in as a top talent after he failed to qualify and Nebraska stuck by him. He wanted to play but couldn't supplant AA as the featured back. All the guys that have left have left for different reasons -- Peat Jr looks like he was a miss or his health and flimsy work ethic will keep him from being a good college player. Klatcho retired from football. Moore was homesick. Green was a 5* kid that wanted PT and didn't want to sit another year behind Rex Burkhead or share the backup duties with Heard and Ameer.

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  • k9_r said...

    Benning and Sharpe, this morning, quoted a source stating that 47% of RB's transfer or change position in the first two years. Something like that.

    Now THIS is a stat!!

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  • 602Husker said...

    I didn't see in the article where he spoke to why Green left.

    NU has had four high-profile recruits leave in the past year: defensive tackle Todd Peat Jr., offensive tackle Tyler Moore, running back Aaron Green and guard Ryan Klachko. Their reasons were different. Girlfriend, homesick, this thing, that thing.

    Seems like he is giving two generic reasons and doesn't assign them to any one particular person. I take his point to mean that guys leave for different reasons and it doesn't really matter why they left, the fact is that they left the program.

    Point being, he couldn't come on here and do his whiny bit without being forced to admit that Klachko isn't even playing football anymore, and that Tyler couldn't handle his homesick need to be with his girlfriend and Mom's home cooking. Peat Jr. just wouldn't do the work to be in shape to compete, and I stand pat on what I posted about Aaron - And Shatel didn't have the smarts to figure out that Aaron lost his chance to be the feature back at NU by sitting out last year at TCU.

    He didn't do any comparatives, e.g., Urban losing 4-star talent also, and now trying just like NU to fill out his roster.

    If I sound like I'm tired of all of the hand-wringing over Braylon when we have the top backs out of CA and Texas coming in to prove they belong on the field next year ...I am.

    I've never bought into looking backwards to prove what can happen in the future.

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  • There was a cursory acknowledgement that it's a trend in modern cfb, but that is the salient point and it needed to be addressed in depth. Is our experience unique or the new norm? Who knows! We're just left with the "well, duh" point of "it'd be better if our good recruits panned out and stuck around." Yeah, I think we can all agree that that would be pretty cool.

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  • Zonie87 said...

    Point being, he couldn't come on here and do his whiny bit without being forced to admit that Klachko isn't even playing football anymore, and that Tyler couldn't handle his homesick need to be with his girlfriend and Mom's home cooking. Peat Jr. just wouldn't do the work to be in shape to compete, and I stand pat on what I posted about Aaron - And Shatel didn't have the smarts to figure out that Aaron lost his chance to be the feature back at NU by sitting out last year at TCU.

    He didn't do any comparatives, e.g., Urban losing 4-star talent also, and now trying just like NU to fill out his roster.

    If I sound like I'm tired of all of the hand-wringing over Braylon when we have the top backs out of CA and Texas coming in to prove they belong on the field next year ...I am.

    I've never bought into looking backwards to prove what can happen in the future.

    I understand the Heard story is getting tired, I agree. Sure would help if Heard or Bo would speak. By all appearance, Heard is good as gone, but until then there will be talk.

    In regards to the top backs coming in from CA/TX to prove they belong, 2 years ago we had the top backs from TX/OH coming in to do the same. Both of them are now gone. Just sayin

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  • the only one of those transfers that hurt us was Moore... Green probably won't even start at TCU in 2013. Heard transfering is frustrating, but what's more frustrating is that the story is all kinds of weird with different sources saying different things and the University, Coach Pelini and Braylon Heard have let people speculate and haven't said anything to this point. Odd indeed.

    klein12

  • MikeCaramba said...

    There was a cursory acknowledgement that it's a trend in modern cfb, but that is the salient point and it needed to be addressed in depth. Is our experience unique or the new norm? Who knows! We're just left with the "well, duh" point of "it'd be better if our good recruits panned out and stuck around." Yeah, I think we can all agree that that would be pretty cool.

    Actually, it's quite possible that it may be unique to Nebraska. It's not all on Bo either.

    The report Damon Benning used this morning spoke to Nebraska having only 3 RB's having stayed 3 yrs or longer at Nebraska since 2002. And there were something like 10 RB's that left the program all together. It was kinda startling.

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  • 602Husker said...

    Actually, it's quite possible that it may be unique to Nebraska. It's not all on Bo either.

    The report Damon Benning used this morning spoke to Nebraska having only 3 RB's having stayed 3 yrs or longer at Nebraska since 2002. And there were something like 10 RB's that left the program all together. It was kinda startling.

    I'm not saying it *isn't* unique to Nebraska, but whether it is or is not is a salient point, and Mr. Shatel left it largely unexplored.

    You or Benning must be off on those stats. Off the top of my head, Jackson played three years before NFL, Lucky played four, Glenn played three (then one at LB), Helu played four, Rex played four, Abdullah is entering his third...I'm sure I'm missing some...and all of those guys were from 2006 or later.

    MikeCaramba

  • klein12 said...

    the only one of those transfers that hurt us was Moore... Green probably won't even start at TCU in 2013. Heard transfering is frustrating, but what's more frustrating is that the story is all kinds of weird with different sources saying different things and the University, Coach Pelini and Braylon Heard have let people speculate and haven't said anything to this point. Odd indeed.

    I dunno -- Green had a shot to be the featured guy. Moore hurts more, but Green hurt me too.

    MikeCaramba

  • MikeCaramba said...

    I dunno -- Green had a shot to be the featured guy. Moore hurts more, but Green hurt me too.

    I'm saying in terms of producing... our running game didn't change one iota since Green left... it actually got better from 2011 to 2012. Our line play was bad on the edges, Moore would have helped with that for sure.

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