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Report: Heard to leave Nebraska

  • Anyone who doesn't think this is a big loss, can I borrow whatever you are on?

    Bills2

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  • if you are always moving in the right direction, you will eventually reach your destination.

    This program is going in the right direction. I am mad as hell about the last month, as mad as anybody. But I still believe the arrow points up.

    I could make a laundry list of things i don't like and tell you how upset i am that we aren't 'there yet' but I try to stay big picture for the most part.

    Lets try to keep this thread on Heard, an not turn it into a microcosm analogy for Bo & Company

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    beardown2489

  • beardown2489 said...

    if you are always moving in the right direction, you will eventually reach your destination.

    This program is going in the right direction. I am mad as hell about the last month, as mad as anybody. But I still believe the arrow points up.

    I could make a laundry list of things i don't like and tell you how upset i am that we aren't 'there yet' but I try to stay big picture for the most part.

    Lets try to keep this thread on Heard, an not turn it into a microcosm analogy for Bo & Company

    Is it moving in the right direction though?

    I certainly don't think it is moving in the wrong direction. But I'm not sure it's in the right direction either. Feels more like for every step forward we take in one area, we take a step back in another.

    nustudent

  • Bills2 said...

    Anyone who doesn't think this is a big loss, can I borrow whatever you are on?

    I am not saying it doesn't matter but how is this a big loss? In what way? It becomes an issue if Ameer gets injured and Cross isn't very good and Newby and/or Taylor are not ready to contribute as freshmen. Heard, while Rex was unavailable, provided Ameer with a rest but didn't overtake him. I like Heard but I am not sure how you measure this as a huge/big loss. It matters but there hasn't been much on field performance to suggest it will really hurt the Huskers.

    cmurchison

  • Zonie87 said...

    iBR, good, unemotional and well thought out response to the announcement from the local Youngstown regional paper.

    The bottom line, if you won't put in the extra effort and hard work that Rex, Ameer and Imani bring everyday, you are not going to supersede them in playing time. If you are not willing to outwork Ameer, Imani and the new RB's coming in this fall, they will excel and pass you by. That is and always has been the known rule of competition in big boy D1 college football.

    Like, iBR I don't know any confirmed facts of this situation or how this ends, but the constant second guessing of everything going on about Bo and the program is uncalled for. This is one of the reasons that social media is a predictable tool for those too impatient to know all of the facts before demonstrating their own lack of such. We are supposed to value personal opinions as highly as facts, in today's world, maybe that's why chaos is the norm rather than having common sense prevail.

    This. +1 for you.

    westoaksarthur

  • beardown2489 said...

    if you are always moving in the right direction, you will eventually reach your destination.

    This program is going in the right direction. I am mad as hell about the last month, as mad as anybody. But I still believe the arrow points up.

    I could make a laundry list of things i don't like and tell you how upset i am that we aren't 'there yet' but I try to stay big picture for the most part.

    Lets try to keep this thread on Heard, an not turn it into a microcosm analogy for Bo & Company

    It isn't moving in the right direction. That is the Big picture

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    Landohusker

  • so are taking NUs stance are you on the other side of NU? Just wondering

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    beardown2489

  • nustudent said...

    You aren't supposed to view opinions as highly as facts. And the facts here are that we lost our second string running back. We've proven over the years you need a viable second string option. And now true frosh will be the ones who look to replace him. And our scholarship numbers take another hit. Those are all facts.

    No this isn't the fact. The fact is you (possibly) lost LAST YEAR'S 2nd string RB. We don't know where he would have been on this year's depth chart, but possibly lower. As to your ruminations about the freshmen RBs, it is this kind of thinking that has prevailed in the NU program that makes difficult to recruit high level prospects. They will not come here if you don't play them when they have the talent to break the line up. This infatuation with RS everyone has needs to stop. It has a purpose in the right situation but it is not a one size fits all sweater. If Newby is as talented as everyone seems to think he needs to play next year so that is a selling point for the next 20 4* and 5* we try to recruit. Taylor MAY be a different story but given what he demonstrated as a HS senior I seriously doubt he needs a year to rehab. That gives us a likely depth chart of Abdullah, Newby, Cross, Frazier with Taylor a possible RS. If Taylor does not RS then he is probably 3rd on the depth chart, and any one of the three is perfectly capable of being the feature back taking 85-90% of the offensive snaps, even as true freshmen. We see other top level programs do this all the time. There isn't some pall over Lincoln that makes our freshman stupid for a year.

    You've made your good points about the numbers. We've bumped heads on this but you have a good point to make. We would be better off if we had 4 or 5 more quality recruits to sign this cycle. In this instance you're harping and crying wolf.

    westoaksarthur

  • is this a sign of the times or our coaching staff?

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    cmurchison

  • cmurchison said...

    I am not saying it doesn't matter but how is this a big loss? In what way? It becomes an issue if Ameer gets injured and Cross isn't very good and Newby and/or Taylor are not ready to contribute as freshmen. Heard, while Rex was unavailable, provided Ameer with a rest but didn't overtake him. I like Heard but I am not sure how you measure this as a huge/big loss. It matters but there hasn't been much on field performance to suggest it will really hurt the Huskers.

    We just lost our #2 back, possibly #1, but that is a big if. Either way, I would rather rely on a Junior at a position as important as HB instead of a sophomore or true freshman. Now if AA happens to go down, we have a true sophomore and freshman. AA showed us last year that we can win games with youth, but he also showed us how youth can struggle in big games.

    Also, for those saying Heard wasn't good in pass protection you are correct. Also remember that Heard did not have an offseason to work on that. Last offseason he worked at CB. Who knows what kind of gains he could've done with a full season to work at it. And I like Cross, but he is not currently a big play back.

    You can't lose depth and expect to not see a different at the position. If you want a perfect example, Tyler Moore and ARod. Since I am sure it will come up, Rex and AA. I don't think we lose that UCLA game if Rex is on the field.

    Bills2

  • To me this is a huge loss because I really felt BH could have been a difference maker...aka what reggie bush did for usc. All year long I just bemoaned the fact he never was given a chance to get into rhythm. How about the oppurtunity to string 4 or 5 carries together?? I dont dislike AA but just have never seen anything that distanced him from BH or AG, and the carry discrepancy that he got seemd unfair to me. Im kinda suprised that people dont take AA to task for his fumbles at critical times in games over the last couple yrs (s. car, osu, georgia)--if your really being fair there should be consequences for that...anyway, i wish BH all the best. I will definitely follow his career. For Brion's sake I hope he transfers also because I would love to get to see him play. If I were a college coach and I had a chance to start with Moore, Carnes, Heard, AG I would be pretty happy

    roachro

  • Bills2 said...

    We just lost our #2 back, possibly #1, but that is a big if. Either way, I would rather rely on a Junior at a position as important as HB instead of a sophomore or true freshman. Now if AA happens to go down, we have a true sophomore and freshman. AA showed us last year that we can win games with youth, but he also showed us how youth can struggle in big games.

    Also, for those saying Heard wasn't good in pass protection you are correct. Also remember that Heard did not have an offseason to work on that. Last offseason he worked at CB. Who knows what kind of gains he could've done with a full season to work at it. And I like Cross, but he is not currently a big play back.

    You can't lose depth and expect to not see a different at the position. If you want a perfect example, Tyler Moore and ARod. Since I am sure it will come up, Rex and AA. I don't think we lose that UCLA game if Rex is on the field.

    As the NFL has shown -- RB is potentially the most easily replaced position on the team. Also, Georgia just showed the SEC and Nebraska that 2 freshmen RBs that are highly talented works just fine. Heard was our #2 or #3 -- AA is the clear #1 at this moment. It is a loss of depth but we have 4 RBs behind AA (Cross, Newby, Taylor, King Fraizer).

    cmurchison

  • TunaGill said...

    Each individual situation that has happened in the past few years can be reasonably explained if isolated. Jamal Turner wasn't going to unseat Taylor, and he needed to see the field, so that's why he was switched to WR. Green missed Texas, so he transferred to TCU. Moore was pussywhipped, and a baby, so he went back to Florida. Klatchko didn't pan out. Etc. Other examples that we could individually go into if necessary (we could also talk about on-field performance, but I'd rather not in this post).

    However, I'm not someone who believes in a lot of coincidences. I think that where there's a lot of smoke there's usually fire.

    In other words, to speak more clearly, I have a lot of doubts about Bo and the program. Do I think he should be fired? Of course not. But I don't think he'll ever get us to where I would like us to be, perennially winning conference championships, playing in BCS bowls, and being a Top 10 team that's feared.

    As I have posted in the past, Bo is a nice head coach with nice players. And that's fine. But I don't think we'll ever become elite again with him at the helm.

    Yes, I know we're close. I know we've played in 3 conference championship games in the last 4 years. I know we're a player here, a turnover there, not making a penalty, etc., from being where we want to be. But that's just it. We're close, and we'll continually to be close, and that's fine. But I don't think we'll ever get there.

    I hope I'm wrong. But I don't think I am.

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    I've been singing this song for 2-1/2 years now.

    Juke17

  • edit: nvm

    This post was edited by Bills2 on 1/29/2013 at 1:20 PM

    Bills2

  • roachro said...

    To me this is a huge loss because I really felt BH could have been a difference maker...aka what reggie bush did for usc. All year long I just bemoaned the fact he never was given a chance to get into rhythm. How about the oppurtunity to string 4 or 5 carries together?? I dont dislike AA but just have never seen anything that distanced him from BH or AG, and the carry discrepancy that he got seemd unfair to me. Im kinda suprised that people dont take AA to task for his fumbles at critical times in games over the last couple yrs (s. car, osu, georgia)--if your really being fair there should be consequences for that...anyway, i wish BH all the best. I will definitely follow his career. For Brion's sake I hope he transfers also because I would love to get to see him play. If I were a college coach and I had a chance to start with Moore, Carnes, Heard, AG I would be pretty happy

    I find this point of view interesting... All we have to go on as fans is high school highlights and game day snaps. How can we pretend like gameday is the day the coaches make their decisions on who plays more and who plays less. As far as I know there's still practice 5 times a week.

    As for BH being Reggie Bush... not even close. BH has great straight line speed and good vision. He has limited wiggle, runs upright and doesn't have the ability to cut on a dime. He runs with his feet too close together to change directions in a fast manner as well.

    I'm not saying any of this to disparage Braylon because I always thought he was talented. But to pretend like the coaches are keeping this guy locked up so he doesn't have a chance is ludicrous IMO. You reward players during the game for what they have done during the week. And sure... Abdullah fumbled in bad times as a sophomore against UCLA and Georgia. Were those the reasons we lost that game? Perhaps it was the catalyst against Georgia but we still could have over come a fumble to begin the 3rd quarter against UCLA. I still blame that loss on the play calling more than the players. By the way... UCLA missed the field goal.

    klein12

  • Apparently it wasnt his intention to make this public until after spring ball. He was going to go thru spring and see if he liked his new postion and then make a decision from there. Its second hand info but its the best ive got.

    WaterfowlJunky

  • WaterfowlJunky said...

    Apparently it wasnt his intention to make this public until after spring ball. He was going to go thru spring and see if he liked his new postion and then make a decision from there. Its second hand info but its the best ive got.

    is this still the plan?/who spilled the beans?

    Perhaps a meeting with coaches could clear this up. Maybe he's not "switching positions" like he thinks he is, he's just adding another diminsion to his game? We'll see.

    klein12

  • klein12 said...

    I find this point of view interesting... All we have to go on as fans is high school highlights and game day snaps. How can we pretend like gameday is the day the coaches make their decisions on who plays more and who plays less. As far as I know there's still practice 5 times a week.

    As for BH being Reggie Bush... not even close. BH has great straight line speed and good vision. He has limited wiggle, runs upright and doesn't have the ability to cut on a dime. He runs with his feet too close together to change directions in a fast manner as well.

    I'm not saying any of this to disparage Braylon because I always thought he was talented. But to pretend like the coaches are keeping this guy locked up so he doesn't have a chance is ludicrous IMO. You reward players during the game for what they have done during the week. And sure... Abdullah fumbled in bad times as a sophomore against UCLA and Georgia. Were those the reasons we lost that game? Perhaps it was the catalyst against Georgia but we still could have over come a fumble to begin the 3rd quarter against UCLA. I still blame that loss on the play calling more than the players. By the way... UCLA missed the field goal.

    Whoa there Klein - let's not let facts get in the way of the doom and gloom. Ameer's fumble against Georgia was (1) possibly not a fumble, (2) recovered by Nebraska then took from Nebraska after the ref blew the whistle. Shouldn't put the ball on the ground but it happens -- the great Rex Burkhead fumbled when he ran into his own lineman. Ameer may have fumbled against UCLA but he was also very good that day.

    I am not saying Braylon wasn't talented and that I am happy to see him go. I am merely saying he is replaceable. He apparently hasn't shown the coaches in the countless hours of practice he has had in his 2+ years that he on the verge of all-world output.

    Comparing him to Bush -- one of the greatest college RBs of the last 10 years isn't even serious.

    Also, Pelini, as of this morning, hadn't been asked by Braylon for a transfer. He may transfer or he may be upset at the moment and needs to talking to by the coaches to let him know he is a valuable member of the team/program.

    cmurchison

  • cmurchison said...

    Whoa there Klein - let's not let facts get in the way of the doom and gloom. Ameer's fumble against Georgia was (1) possibly not a fumble, (2) recovered by Nebraska then took from Nebraska after the ref blew the whistle. Shouldn't put the ball on the ground but it happens -- the great Rex Burkhead fumbled when he ran into his own lineman. Ameer may have fumbled against UCLA but he was also very good that day.

    I am not saying Braylon wasn't talented and that I am happy to see him go. I am merely saying he is replaceable. He apparently hasn't shown the coaches in the countless hours of practice he has had in his 2+ years that he on the verge of all-world output.

    Comparing him to Bush -- one of the greatest college RBs of the last 10 years isn't even serious.

    Also, Pelini, as of this morning, hadn't been asked by Braylon for a transfer. He may transfer or he may be upset at the moment and needs to talking to by the coaches to let him know he is a valuable member of the team/program.

    exactly... I really hope he ends up staying and sticking it out. Especially if they have some packages for him at slot to give Turner a blow... that would be sick.

    klein12

  • Don't blame him one bit. Ron Brown should have played him a lot more when Burkhead went down with Ameer. That's the one thing doesn't do well at all with its players. There is no way he shouldn't have been playing more.

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    If you cant say something nice, shut your damn mouth!! GBR

    Adams13

  • klein12 said...

    exactly... I really hope he ends up staying and sticking it out. Especially if they have some packages for him at slot to give Turner a blow... that would be sick.

    I agree but once the cat is out of the bag not sure there is any chance to get it back in or in this case get him to reconsider.

    AmesHusker