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Perlman talks Eichorst, decision

  • n3bhsker said...

    So now we're going to attack people because they have a different opinion on the hire and how it came to be? Truth is NOONE but Perlman and TO know exactly how much input TO had in selecting the new AD. I don't see a reason to discredit people and talk about bitchfests when a lot of what I am reading clearly states TO didn't have much input at all and may feel slighted. Again this could be complete garbage like most rumors but since there are a good number of people feeling this way I don't believe there's a logical reason to dismiss it just because you don't believe Perlman would hire someone without the advice of Tom. Usually am right there in your mindset Zonie but damn loosen up a bit.

    Everyone is entitled to their opinion, as well as I am...and I did not attack him. I didn't discredit him, I stated it was his opinion. I will not loosen up...and could not care less if you agree with me or not.

    Fact, there is a good amount of questioning a bitching going on...without giving much credence to the people that have actually worked with Shawn. I find this aspect of questioning a brand new hire very subjective.

    I take into account what the real experts say...do you know more than them? I don't...I take their actual experience and wisdom into account rather than a bunch of us that can speculate but cannot truly know.

    Sipple has never worked with Shawn, and is only speculating just like folks in this forum.

    Instead of welcoming Sean, "as the best fans in college football," there is a contingent that wants shove the hire in Harvey's face or at the very minimum fire a shot over Shawn's bow warning him that he better be on guard...and discount Shawn before he even arrives to start working. Why? What is the point? I find this premature, disgusting and not reflective of a fan base that is more gracious than not...that is my opinion.

    This post was edited by Zonie87 on 10/5/2012 at 10:09 AM

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  • Zonie87 said...

    Everyone is entitled to their opinion, as well as I am...and I did not attack him. I didn't discredit him, I stated it was his opinion. I will not loosen up...and could care less if you agree with me or not.

    Fact, there is a good amount of questioning a bitching going on...without giving much credence to the people that have actually worked with Shawn. I find this aspect of questioning a brand new hire very subjective.

    I take into account what the real experts say...do you know more than them? I don't...I take their actual experience and wisdom into account rather than a bunch of us that can speculate but cannot truly know.

    Sipple has never worked with Shawn, and is only speculating just like folks in this forum.

    Instead of welcoming Sean, "as the best fans in college football," there is a contingent that wants shove the hire in Harvey's face or at the very minimum fire a shot over Shawn's bow warning him that he better be on guard...and discount Shawn before he even arrives to start working. Why? What is the point? I find this premature, disgusting and not reflective of a fan base that is more gracious than not...that is my opinion.

    Telling someone to stop their bitchfests is a censored attack. I don't know what the hell your problem is today but did someone wake up on the wrong side of the bed? I never once said I was any smarter than the experts but apparently you are. I also did not say I was against this hire I simply stated there is no reason to discredit and jump someone for their opinion especially when it correlates with many others across the state. Take your own advice and get your own censored together instead of being an ass.

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  • n3bhsker said...

    ...get your own censored together instead of being an ass.

    Attack me, really. Nice...against board rules.

    I won't respond with how I believe that type of sentiment reflects upon you.

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  • Zonie, I dont think you see our point. Just because some people are a little concerned and uneasy and dont share the same side of this debate as you do doesnt mean its "bitching." The minute we stop questioning our leaders and their decisions is the moment we fail. I think a lot of people are unsure because of the way it took place. No need to play the "greatest fans" card as if they are all on your side. Im sure when it comes time Mr. Eichorst will be welcomed just fine.

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  • sleeve23 said...

    Zonie, I dont think you see our point. Just because some people are a little concerned and uneasy and dont share the same side of this debate as you do doesnt mean its "bitching." The minute we stop questioning our leaders and their decisions is the moment we fail. I think a lot of people are unsure because of the way it took place. No need to play the "greatest fans" card as if they are all on your side. Im sure when it comes time Mr. Eichorst will be welcomed just fine.

    No problem with that opinion. I see other's points just fine. I don't agree with dumping on Shawn, questioning Harvey or Tom...as that is the way I see it...maybe wrong, but it's the way I see it. I come from a different era where you give a person a chance to be questioned before doing so. If that makes me an "ass" then so be it.

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  • No one is "dumping" on Mr Eichorst. People that are concerned are questioning the process much more then they are questioning the hire itself. Osborne and Pelini were apparently, both promised to have some input in this hire and based on what has since transpired, they did not get this input. Why did Tom not even attend the announcement if he approved so much? Another thing that is being questioned is the $$$ itself. Its not like we went out to get someone with 15 years of experience of acting AD at a major university. Im not sure that Shawn has the track record yet to justify being the 6th highest paid AD in the nation. This whole thing just seems a little rushed. It will all calm down in time and I hope that things turn out. Im sure they will be just fine. If they dont....it will be Mr. Perlman that will answer for this.

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  • sleeve23 said...

    No one is "dumping" on Mr Eichorst. People that are concerned are questioning the process much more then they are questioning the hire itself. Osborne and Pelini were apparently, both promised to have some input in this hire and based on what has since transpired, they did not get this input. Why did Tom not even attend the announcement if he approved so much? Another thing that is being questioned is the $$$ itself. Its not like we went out to get someone with 15 years of experience of acting AD at a major university. Im not sure that Shawn has the track record yet to justify being the 6th highest paid AD in the nation. This whole thing just seems a little rushed. It will all calm down in time and I hope that things turn out. Im sure they will be just fine. If they dont....it will be Mr. Perlman that will answer for this.

    I agree on some points and don't agree on others, e.g., that Tom didn't confer with Barry on this.

    Everyone should know that a person that has retired from a managerial position does not participate in the new hire in any public way. It would cast a shadow and imprimatur that is unfair for the new hire. I owned my own Executive Search firm for almost ten years...I have a little bit of experience in these things.

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  • I was in class trying to rush that post so it didn't come out the way it was supposed to but damn right I'm going to attack you if your doing the same thing to other people. There's no reason to completely disregard a whole side of an argument and proceed to grind and attack people for a pretty accepted opinion. I could care less what you think about me, I actually held you in high regard until today. I'm done with this thread, you want to keep arguing go ahead and pm me and we will settle this.

    n3bhsker

  • n3bhsker said...

    I was in class trying to rush that post so it didn't come out the way it was supposed to but damn right I'm going to attack you if your doing the same thing to other people. There's no reason to completely disregard a whole side of an argument and proceed to grind and attack people for a pretty accepted opinion. I could care less what you think about me, I actually held you in high regard until today. I'm done with this thread, you want to keep arguing go ahead and pm me and we will settle this.

    Tough guy, huh? I could not care less about your threats and language. You are reflecting your immaturity, and are free to do so.

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  • Come on guys pull it together here. It's entirely understandable for people to question the hire. There's nothing wrong with that. This is a forum. There's a differing amount of opinions.

    Let's try to keep it on Eichorst and not about each other.

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  • Zonie87 said...

    I agree on some points and don't agree on others, e.g., that Tom didn't confer with Barry on this.

    Everyone should know that a person that has retired from a managerial position does not participate in the new hire in any public way. It would cast a shadow and imprimatur that is unfair for the new hire. I owned my own Executive Search firm for almost ten years...I have a little bit of experience in these things.

    Ok now this is much more civil. You make a good point about casting the shadow on the next in line and so forth but Tom is no ordinary manager. He has put his lifes energy into this university. This whole state and the vast majority of the alums of this university believe in him. 100%. I do however think that many major execs have a ton of input on who is hired when they step down. Also, there is usually some sort of Board that approves and guides this decision. Steve Jobs fully endorsed Tim Cook. Warren Buffet has publicly stated that he will be fully involved in hiring his successor. This creates stability. A sense of calm. A feeling that everything will be ok. This is where Harvey went wrong. He stated that many people would be involved in this process and when people start to question whether they were or not....this created a feeling of unrest. A feeling of uncertainty. If Mr Eichorst is the leader and man we need him to be, all this will take care of itself. There was some question when we hired Tim Miles. Now look at his perception. People are very excited about his program and what it could become. I think everything will be ok, but this could have been handled a little differently and with and little more structure and it would have gone much more smoothly.

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  • Zonie87 said...

    Tough guy, huh? I could not care less about your threats and language. You are reflecting your immaturity, and are free to do so.

    Damn you really are in a bad mood today huh? That was by no means a threat, I simply meant if you wish to continue this discussion to actually try to see what I'm trying to say we can discuss it and work it out...that's it.

    This post was edited by Michael Bruntz on 10/5/2012 at 11:14 AM

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  • Mike Schaefer said...

    Come on guys pull it together here. It's entirely understandable for people to question the hire. There's nothing wrong with that. This is a forum. There's a differing amount of opinions.

    Let's try to keep it on Eichorst and not about each other.

    Agreed fellers, nothing wrong with a healthy debate but lets keep it on topic and not about eachother. We're all Huskers here and all want what is very best for our great state and UNL. :)

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  • sleeve23 said...

    Agreed fellers, nothing wrong with a healthy debate but lets keep it on topic and not about eachother. We're all Huskers here and all want what is very best for our great state and UNL. :)

    Agreed and I wasn't even trying to be confrontational with that first post, it seemed like a logical post to me until taken out of context. On the other hand there's no way I'm going to back down from getting jumped because I was sticking up for someone else's right to speak their opinion. Yea things accelerated quickly but no hostilities here. Hope you have a fine day there Zonie!

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  • sleeve23 said...

    Ha. Nice. This is in no way a bitch-fest or absent minded rant. I am simply saying that there is a lot of speculation in this hire and that maybe we should have involved our current athletic department a little more in this decision. I am simply stating facts and I am not sure he has the crudentials to justify putting him all the way up to the 6th highest paid AD in the nation....Yet. I also stated that this may be a good hire but it is maybe a little speculative for the kind of $$ we are paying him. Read my post the way I wrote it....not the way you wanted to read it.

    sleeve23. Your entitled to your own opinion and expressing yourself on this site is fine with me. Personally, I don't think your out of line for expressing that opinion. No doubt that TO had input in this new hire for AD .

    After the Callahan era people will have some reservations about who is hired as TO's replacement, Pearlman should of been more open to the husker nation because he really blew it by allowing Callahan to be hired and stay on for 4 years. That's just my opinion.

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  • I do agree that it feels like we are putting a lot of money towards a person with a good amount of experience, but he I'm not sure about a mil a year worth of experience. Honestly, I don't care about how much input Bo has, I'm pretty sure he has a big game this week. As well as a big one last week.

    I'm with a few of the people that have already posted, I find it hard to believe that T.O. would be completely in the dark on this hire. It might not be the person that T.O. wanted, but if he said no I dont want this guy here, I'm sure that would have a huge impact. I think it is way to early to throw Eichorst under the bus, but it is safe to say that if this does not work out we will be looking for a new chancellor next time around too.

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