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Martinez, Crouch, Frazier

  • Kram said...

    DA: When T-mart starts on a run play or scrambls do you hold your breath hoping that T-mart will not fumble? Did Tommy Frazier or the other QB's mentioned in this form also make you hold your breath thinking that they are about to fumble?

    No, I don't.

    When his pass pro breaks down and he has to start scrambling, i.e. running for his life, I worry about him fumbling.

    I have never worried about him fumbling on a designed run play.

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  • daddyact said...

    Every one of TM's fumbles have come when he's had to run from pressure, not on a designed run.

    Not true, I remember 2 in tOSU game on designed run plays, he didn't lose either of them as BK fell on one and the other went out of bounds. You also need to look at bad pitches as the are technically fumbles. He cleared up a lot of those issues at the end of the year and the RBs had their share of mistakes in some of those, but to say unequivocally that all his fumbles came on scrambles is just not true.

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  • huskerrule said...

    Not true, I remember 2 in tOSU game on designed run plays, he didn't lose either of them as BK fell on one and the other went out of bounds. You also need to look at bad pitches as the are technically fumbles. He cleared up a lot of those issues at the end of the year and the RBs had their share of mistakes in some of those, but to say unequivocally that all his fumbles came on scrambles is just not true.

    "he didn't lose either one"

    Pitches are not fumbles, and many times they are more dependent on the position of the RB than the pitch. However, your point is well made, he has made a few bad pitches, but as you also said that did get cleared up in the last half of the season.

    I'll grant you that I should have said MOST of his fumbles, and not every one.

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  • Hater said...

    So Sip posts this quick blog about Martinez's passing stats versus Crouch and Frazier. They are interesting numbers but they aren't anything new.

    Also, the blog doesn't go nearly deep enough to know anything of value.

    How many yards per game were Crouch and Frazier throwing for? What type of rushing yards did Crouch and Frazier have? How many pass attempts per interception/TD? And the big one I want to know, how many rush attempts per fumble?

    What I want to know is how do you all think Crouch and Frazier would have done in Becks offense this year? Do you think we would have seen nearly as much throwing if the option was successful enough to keep us out of 3rd and long situations or do you think that Beck would have continued to throw the ball between 21 and 23 times a game like he did this year with Martinez.

    With due respect its like comparing apples and oranges and you are a banana. Get the picture? Its pretty freaked up scenario! The analogy really cannot be done! Like someone had mentioned different system, era and one of them TM is still actively playing.
    Trying to plug Tommie Frazier and or Eric Crouch into Beck's offense is unrealistic I am not sure what you are trying to deduct; give credence to TM's throwing capabilities or the lack there of. Its just not fair to none of the QBs. Thanks

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  • daddyact said...

    "he didn't lose either one"

    Pitches are not fumbles, and many times they are more dependent on the position of the RB than the pitch. However, your point is well made, he has made a few bad pitches, but as you also said that did get cleared up in the last half of the season.

    I'll grant you that I should have said MOST of his fumbles, and not every one.

    If you would have said MOST of his fumbles, I wouldn't have had any issue with what you said.

    Bad pitches go down on the stat sheet as fumbles, usually they get credited to the RB, but it is considered a fumble. Technically, it is considered a backwards pass or lateral, but they don't count as that on the stat sheet.

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