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klein12 said...
i think your answer here actually proves my point:
"They got the powerback the were seeking, albeit wasn't their first choice"
They got a power back but no FB... I really like Cross but he won't play FB
"They didn't get their first choice at TE"
Correction... they didn't get their first, second or third choice at TE. Iese, Wilkerson and Pharaoh Brown all escaped their grasp. Bush-Loo was a late push but ultimately they decided they could wait a year and try to get two in next year's recruiting class.
Peat went to Stanford... good for him. It's a great institution, and a tough program to out-recruit, but you have to win these battles especially with game changers like this.
Fuller went to UCLA... it's funny that you think Mora will make him the cornserstone of their offense. I think he ultimately ends up as a DB there and won't be given anymore than a token snap at QB. Mora is an NFL coach (with few accolades) that likes a pro-style system. After Schiano left we should have been able to close to deal but we didn't.
To your last point, they did get decent players but they missed on their top priorities (except with Westerkamp) more often than not. I think C+ is a good grade overall because it's just above average no more, no less.
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daddyact said...
where on earth did I ever say this was a "great class"?????????????
Go ahead, find the post in this thread where I made that statement.
This was a class limited by numbers, but a class where they found some potentially great players at positions of need.
And there were a few kids they missed out on, but that is nothing new at Nebraska, and if you don't understand the reasons why, then you don't know anything about recruiting, imo.
Yes, there certainly are other programs that recruit. Programs which have far better demographic areas, and larger talent pools from which to draw players. Programs which are not LOCATED IN THE MIDDLE OF EFFING NOWHERE!
Stop with the freaking myopia, people. Nebraska has many built-in disadvantages to pulling recruits out of Texas, California, Ohio, and/or Florida. They have disadvantages to pulling recruits out of B1G states as well, and the mere fact that many of you just don't get that is not an excuse for attacking the staff for trying to do their jobs the best they can.
Here's a simple fact. No other top ten winning program is located in a state that has fewer than 3,751,351 residents (OK),and they are right next door to the second-largest recruiting base in the country.
Nebraska's closest neighbors are not particularly large population bases either, but they also have state Universities that demand local loyalty.
Do you know which states NE's population mirrors? Maine, Idaho, New Hampshire, Hawaii, and West Virginia. See any programs there that you'd consider legendary?
Nebraska, located smack dab in a tiny population base, with some of the harshest weather in the country, has maintained it's standing as a top ten program, while it's coaching staff has to try to do the toughest effing recruiting job in the country, with the possible exception of Boise State, and btw, a team which they consistently out-recruit.
They also out-recruit schools like KU and KSU, Iowa, Illinois, Missouri, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Colorado, BYU, Utah, Arizona, ASU, Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU, Purdue, Indiana, Northwestern,etc., etc., etc.… all located in the midst of larger population bases.
This staff should be applauded for the results of this recruiting class, not castigated because some of you think that it's so effing easy to convince kids from any of the aforementioned areas of the country to want to come to Nebraska.
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ScarletnCream said...
I disagree with you on a couple things. First, Nebraska WAS a top ten program...is no longer one. In terms of all time wins but not currently a top ten program. Second, while Nebraska has some extreme weather it is not leading to the toughest recruiting job. While Nebraska right now does not land recruits alone on "tradition," it recruits players that are familiar with our proud tradition. We recruit all over the country with some success in key populated areas. Look for Beck to poke his nose in the Dallas metroplex next year and have success.
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daddyact said...
Not true. When they lost Wilkerson, they immediately offered Cotton and got the commitment. Thus, Sam was their second choice, whether you want to admit it or not.
Iese didn't come into it until much later, and Pharoah Brown was never even offered, because he had absolutely no interest in Nebraska.
What you're offering now is revisionist history, not the facts.
You are 100% wrong about Fuller. Mora has stated unequivocally that he needs a QB that will be the cornerstone of his offense for the next four years, and he sees Fuller as that guy. Fuller is far more talented than anyone already on the roster, or the other QB he signed.
And he signed three other four star CBs. Fuller will not end up at DB, period.
As to Imani Cross. What a disingenuous statement. They wanted a power back; a guy who could make the tough runs inside the ten and block for the other backs. That may well be a "fullback" by your terminology, but i suspect that Cross will actually be playing that role in the very near future.
What an ahole statement; "but you have to win these…" The fact is you don't win them all.
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daddyact said...
Not true. When they lost Wilkerson, they immediately offered Cotton and got the commitment. Thus, Sam was their second choice, whether you want to admit it or not.
Iese didn't come into it until much later, and Pharoah Brown was never even offered, because he had absolutely no interest in Nebraska.
What you're offering now is revisionist history, not the facts.
You are 100% wrong about Fuller. Mora has stated unequivocally that he needs a QB that will be the cornerstone of his offense for the next four years, and he sees Fuller as that guy. Fuller is far more talented than anyone already on the roster, or the other QB he signed.
And he signed three other four star CBs. Fuller will not end up at DB, period.
As to Imani Cross. What a disingenuous statement. They wanted a power back; a guy who could make the tough runs inside the ten and block for the other backs. That may well be a "fullback" by your terminology, but i suspect that Cross will actually be playing that role in the very near future.
What an ahole statement; "but you have to win these…" The fact is you don't win them all.
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ScarletnCream said...
Do you really need to use umpteen question marks to make your point DA? I swear, when someone disagrees with you it's the end of the world. I even stated that CURRENTLY we are not a top ten program. I agree with you on us having the toughest recruiting of those schools. Didn't realize you were talking about top ten all-time. I'll read closer next time. Get your panties out of a wad and calm down.
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huskerrule said...
You are so unbelievably wrong with so many statements in this post.
When I get to my computer after class I will post what is wrong, too much typing for my phone.
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sturg said...
I don't think it is unfair to grade the coaches. Ultimately they are the ones to be held accountable. I don't think they should be graded on just one year though. You need to look at how they do over a period of time. I do think they are getting better every year but I do also think there are a couple that aren't good recruiters at all judging from what I've seen over several seasons. If you look at our offensive scheme it is easy to see why we lost Peat. Fuller is another issue though. Some of these kids eyes get real big when they are told what Fuller was told at UCLA. We have to accept the fact that this will happen year after year just as it did to Osborne. We also recruited more heavily in areas we haven't recruited as heavily in the past. That takes time to build relationships with coaches and believe me these high school coaches are a major influence on these kids. I think we made a huge mistake this year by not hitting Texas as hard as we have in the past. I'm still not a Cotton fan as a coach or a recruiter but he is here to stay. We have to live with that and hope Garrison becomes a great recruiter. We need to see our O-lines play with the fire and tenacity that we saw back in the nineties. Remember what a pancake block is. I don't think we've had one since the nineties.
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Not true. When they lost Wilkerson, they immediately offered Cotton and got the commitment. Thus, Sam was their second choice, whether you want to admit it or not.
Iese didn't come into it until much later, and Pharoah Brown was never even offered, because he had absolutely no interest in Nebraska.
What you're offering now is revisionist history, not the facts.
You are 100% wrong about Fuller. Mora has stated unequivocally that he needs a QB that will be the cornerstone of his offense for the next four years, and he sees Fuller as that guy. Fuller is far more talented than anyone already on the roster, or the other QB he signed.
And he signed three other four star CBs. Fuller will not end up at DB, period.
As to Imani Cross. What a disingenuous statement. They wanted a power back; a guy who could make the tough runs inside the ten and block for the other backs. That may well be a "fullback" by your terminology, but i suspect that Cross will actually be playing that role in the very near future.
What an ahole statement; "but you have to win these…" The fact is you don't win them all.
This post was edited by huskerrule on 2/7/2012 at 6:19 PM
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huskerrule said...
We'll take this one paragraph at a time.
Wilkerson committed to PSU on March 26th, Sam Cotton committed to NU on June 12th. I couldn't find an exact offer date for Wilkerson, but the first time his name showed up in any article involving NU was late December/early January. Now, if the guy you were thinking of is Christo Kourtzidis, then you have a slight point. At that time Sam was second on the list, but that was because we missed out on the likes of Pharaoh Brown and Terrell Mitchell. Orlando David may have actually been higher on the list than Sam, but I think the coaches were starting to see the light with him.
Iese came in around late June/early July, and I might need some help from Bruntz or Schaefer on the date, but I believe we offered in early September. Phararoh Brown was most certainly offered and had real interest in NU before he committed to Michigan. When he decommitted from Michigan his interest in NU rose again, now Im not sold that anyone was actually in the race besides Oregon at that point, but he was talking about NU. According to the article I linked, not only did Pharaoh have real interest in NU, he was working on setting up a trip before he committed to Michigan.
Who is offering revisionist history?
Maybe Mora is changing his ways, but I have a hard time believing that considering he said himself that he wanted to build a Pro Style WCO at UCLA. This is a HC that tried to turn Michael Vick into a drop back passer, totally ignoring his skill set and massively failed on his way to being run out of Atlanta. IMO, Fuller will never see anymore than a few token snaps at QB.
Agreed, IMO, WR.
Also agree, Cross was not recruited to be a FB and he doesn't really have the skill set, he is a power back.
How in the world is that an AHole statement?
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daddyact said...
Sorry Mike, but this clearly reflects your personal feelings about these coaches.
Giving an arbitrary subjective grade based on who you think they should have gotten?
Says more about you than the coaches' abilities to recruit.
And those of you who are piling on? Why don't we wait and see how these kids actually play before we castigate the recruiting?
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I have no personal feelings for Taylor Martinez. I've never seen him except on television, and I don't even know anyone in his family.
I don't hate people I've never met, either
My comments on TM have always come in response to "fans" who write scathing, and often, personal vitriol about him.
The amount of outright lies and distortions is rather remarkable.
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We'll take this one paragraph at a time.
Wilkerson committed to PSU on March 26th, Sam Cotton committed to NU on June 12th. I couldn't find an exact offer date for Wilkerson, but the first time his name showed up in any article involving NU was late December/early January. Now, if the guy you were thinking of is Christo Kourtzidis, then you have a slight point. At that time Sam was second on the list, but that was because we missed out on the likes of Pharaoh Brown and Terrell Mitchell. Orlando David may have actually been higher on the list than Sam, but I think the coaches were starting to see the light with him.
Iese came in around late June/early July, and I might need some help from Bruntz or Schaefer on the date, but I believe we offered in early September. Phararoh Brown was most certainly offered and had real interest in NU before he committed to Michigan. When he decommitted from Michigan his interest in NU rose again, now Im not sold that anyone was actually in the race besides Oregon at that point, but he was talking about NU. According to the article I linked, not only did Pharaoh have real interest in NU, he was working on setting up a trip before he committed to Michigan.
Who is offering revisionist history?
Maybe Mora is changing his ways, but I have a hard time believing that considering he said himself that he wanted to build a Pro Style WCO at UCLA. This is a HC that tried to turn Michael Vick into a drop back passer, totally ignoring his skill set and massively failed on his way to being run out of Atlanta. IMO, Fuller will never see anymore than a few token snaps at QB.
Agreed, IMO, WR.
Also agree, Cross was not recruited to be a FB and he doesn't really have the skill set, he is a power back.
How in the world is that an AHole statement?
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Well, if you lived in Los Angeles, you would have heard his statements in interviews on at least two occasions stating unequivocally that he was excited about the signing of Devin Fuller, because they absolutely needed that sort of athlete at the QB position, the kind of player who can carry a team and establish a precedent for the type of QB they needed at UCLA.
He said that they wanted Fuller at QB, as he was the absolute best player they had in the class, and you want your best player at QB.
I doubt Mora's ability to transform UCLA into a consistent winner, and I don't know who his OC is. I only know what he said on the air about Fuller, but I guess you know more than me.
Because the failure or success of a recruiting class or a program is not dependent on the acquisition of one or two players. this isn't basketball. Also, by that statement, I think you ultimately denigrate or diminish the quality of the rest of the class.
Nobody ever knows how one player, no matter how highly rated, will actually fare in a college program.
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The one thing you respond to is the one thing that I stated repeatedly was my opinion, what about the completely false statements you made?
As a Falcons fan I know all about what Mora says and what he actually does. Like I said though, maybe he has changed his days.
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^^^^ Yes... this is what happened.
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