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Crazy Manti Te'o story on Deadspin

  • MikeCaramba said...

    Interesting from USA Today:

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2013/01/17/the-questions-that-manti-teo-needs-to-answer/1842141/

    I think the most telling question is: "Why did Te'o continue to speak of her after realizing this might have been a hoax?"

    I don't believe Te'o, but just as an exercise, let's give him the benefit of the doubt: He lied about meeting her in person, overstated the extent of their relationship, never questioned her flakiness, and after he discovered it was a hoax, he didn't put a stop to the girlfriend narrative, and continued to speak about her in public. Even when spin this in the best possible way, Te'o was a naive (read: stupid), demonstrable liar.

    exactly...

    klein12 ●

  • Manti Te'o's Teammates Had Their Doubts About Lennay Kekua

    The big question is: What did he know and when did he know it? We may never get a straight answer from Tes teammates had suspicions about Lennay Kekau going back to the beginning of this season.

    deadspin.com

    WaterfowlJunky

  • MikeCaramba said...

    Interesting from USA Today:

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2013/01/17/the-questions-that-manti-teo-needs-to-answer/1842141/

    I think the most telling question is: "Why did Te'o continue to speak of her after realizing this might have been a hoax?"

    I don't believe Te'o, but just as an exercise, let's give him the benefit of the doubt: He lied about meeting her in person, overstated the extent of their relationship, never questioned her flakiness, and after he discovered it was a hoax, he didn't put a stop to the girlfriend narrative, and continued to speak about her in public. Even when we spin this in the best possible way, Te'o was naive (read: stupid) and demonstrably lied.

    The same questions goes to Notre Dame. If they knew this was a hoax in late December, then why did they let a giant story about it go out before the National Title game?

    This post was edited by Bills2 on 1/17/2013 at 12:05 PM

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  • Bills2 said...

    The same questions goes to Notre Dame. If they knew this was a hoax in late December, they why did they let a giant story about it go out before the National Title game?

    Good point.

    MikeCaramba

  • Bills2 said...

    The same questions goes to Notre Dame. If they knew this was a hoax in late December, they why did they let a giant story about it go out before the National Title game?

    The contradictions by ND and Manti are incredible. Interesting ND will not release any of their findings of their own internal investigation.

    If the ND AD knew this was a hoax & kept up the charade should the AD be fired?

    It's good to be the King.

    Trash Angel

  • Trash Angel said...

    The contradictions by ND and Manti are incredible. Interesting ND will not release any of their findings of their own internal investigation.

    If the ND AD knew this was a hoax & kept up the charade should the AD be fired?

    Something tells me if Brian Kelly didn't get fired for that horrible practice accident a year and a half ago, no one will get fired over this. I'm sorry if that's crass, but there is a history of circling the wagons here.

    This post was edited by MikeCaramba on 1/17/2013 at 12:10 PM

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  • MikeCaramba said...

    Something tells me if Brian Kelly didn't get fired for that horrible practice accident a year and a half ago, no one will get fired over this. I'm sorry if that's crass, but there is a history of circling the wagons here.

    Sadly, however, this pathetic tale is grabbing more national attention and shame for Notre Dame than them being responsible for a real world death.

    This whole Manti ordeal is like Kindergarten make believe compared to the student manager plunging to his death. Pretty sick and twisted world we live in when this story blows away that of an actual person losing their life.

    Skerz ●

  • Skerz said...

    Sadly, however, this pathetic tale is grabbing more national attention and shame for Notre Dame than them being responsible for a real world death.

    This whole Manti ordeal is like Kindergarten make believe compared to the student manager plunging to his death. Pretty sick and twisted world we live in when this story blows away that of an actual person losing their life.

    Exactly... Notre Dame... a place the glorifies fake deaths and sweeps real manslaughter under the rug.

    klein12 ●

  • klein12 said...

    Exactly... Notre Dame... a place the glorifies fake deaths and sweeps real manslaughter under the rug.

    And the National media lets them.

    This story is already bigger then the one that should've got more attention

    Bills2

  • Trash Angel said...

    The contradictions by ND and Manti are incredible. Interesting ND will not release any of their findings of their own internal investigation.

    If the ND AD knew this was a hoax & kept up the charade should the AD be fired?

    I understand not bringing this out before the BCS game -- that would have created a circus and ultimate distraction -- especially if they believe their guy was actually duped and innocent in the whole matter. It would have taken the focus off the football game and put it on a sideshow.

    There are lots of questions but I am not interested in getting out in front of this on either side -- hating Te'o and calling him a liar or saying he was an innocent, naive young man that was too embarrassed to admit it.

    cmurchison

  • Bills2 said...

    And the National media lets them.

    This story is already bigger then the one that should've got more attention

    totally agree... despicable. Just goes to show you the media cares more about being lied to than people's lives.

    klein12 ●

  • cmurchison said...

    I understand not bringing this out before the BCS game -- that would have created a circus and ultimate distraction -- especially if they believe their guy was actually duped and innocent in the whole matter. It would have taken the focus off the football game and put it on a sideshow.

    There are lots of questions but I am not interested in getting out in front of this on either side -- hating Te'o and calling him a liar or saying he was an innocent, naive young man that was too embarrassed to admit it.

    no need to bring it out before the BCS game... but why allow a special be run about it? Deny the special, tell ESPN that it's a distraction and you don't want to run it. Then you come out with it the day after the game. There's no reason to allow Teo to continue to answer questions or even create fame from the story. Don't allow the special to be run, doesn't mean you have to come clean about the whole thing right away, just don't perpetuate it further.

    They added to the distraction by allowing that special to be run, especially if they knew the truth. ND and the Teo's are not innocent in this, even if they were duped.

    klein12 ●

  • klein12 said...

    no need to bring it out before the BCS game... but why allow a special be run about it? Deny the special, tell ESPN that it's a distraction and you don't want to run it. Then you come out with it the day after the game. There's no reason to allow Teo to continue to answer questions or even create fame from the story. Don't allow the special to be run, doesn't mean you have to come clean about the whole thing right away, just don't perpetuate it further.

    They added to the distraction by allowing that special to be run, especially if they knew the truth. ND and the Teo's are not innocent in this, even if they were duped.

    I am not suggesting they are innocent, especially after becoming aware of the hoax. But I can imagine it was an awkward situation that was ultimately handled poorly but their handling of it didn't do an iota of damage to anyone. That doesn't excuse it or make it right but I also am not going to crucify a young man who didn't want to readily and publicly admit that he had been duped about an online girlfriend. That would be very embarrassing. He didn't see the Deadspin article coming.

    cmurchison

  • cmurchison said...

    I am not suggesting they are innocent, especially after becoming aware of the hoax. But I can imagine it was an awkward situation that was ultimately handled poorly but their handling of it didn't do an iota of damage to anyone. That doesn't excuse it or make it right but I also am not going to crucify a young man who didn't want to readily and publicly admit that he had been duped about an online girlfriend. That would be very embarrassing. He didn't see the Deadspin article coming.

    true, the only damage is to himself, which is why it would have been better for him to come out with it earlier. The cover up is always worse than the crime (if this is even a crime blank). The real issue for me is the fact that media has bitten so hard on it while the death of a student manager was reported once or twice and then ultimately dropped.

    klein12 ●

  • The BBC is running a story on this...yeesh.

    It's good to be the King.

    Trash Angel

  • klein12 said...

    true, the only damage is to himself, which is why it would have been better for him to come out with it earlier. The cover up is always worse than the crime (if this is even a crime blank). The real issue for me is the fact that media has bitten so hard on it while the death of a student manager was reported once or twice and then ultimately dropped.

    I am not sure what more you would want from the story about the student manager that died when the podium he was on filling practice collapsed. It was a horrible accident, it sounds like. Coaches were potentially negligent in having the kid up there in those weather conditions. Why would the media beat that story to death? It is a sad, unfortunate event but I don't think it is a national media story that a kid died from a podium collapsing from gusty wind.

    I don't know, sounds like ND bashing for the sake of ND bashing. Maybe I am missing something (a lot) from the story. Was there a history of this podium collapsing on windy days but the kids were forced on there anyway? I am honestly not sure what more about this story could be written or done.

    cmurchison

  • cmurchison said...

    I am not sure what more you would want from the story about the student manager that died when the podium he was on filling practice collapsed. It was a horrible accident, it sounds like. Coaches were potentially negligent in having the kid up there in those weather conditions. Why would the media beat that story to death? It is a sad, unfortunate event but I don't think it is a national media story that a kid died from a podium collapsing from gusty wind.

    I don't know, sounds like ND bashing for the sake of ND bashing. Maybe I am missing something (a lot) from the story. Was there a history of this podium collapsing on windy days but the kids were forced on there anyway? I am honestly not sure what more about this story could be written or done.

    Brian Kelly intimidated the student to go up there... the student tweeted while on the lift that he was literally scared for his life in those winds. Kelly insisted that he tape the practice. It wasn't just neglegence it was manslaughter.

    klein12 ●

  • cmurchison said...

    I am not sure what more you would want from the story about the student manager that died when the podium he was on filling practice collapsed. It was a horrible accident, it sounds like. Coaches were potentially negligent in having the kid up there in those weather conditions. Why would the media beat that story to death? It is a sad, unfortunate event but I don't think it is a national media story that a kid died from a podium collapsing from gusty wind.

    I don't know, sounds like ND bashing for the sake of ND bashing. Maybe I am missing something (a lot) from the story. Was there a history of this podium collapsing on windy days but the kids were forced on there anyway? I am honestly not sure what more about this story could be written or done.

    I can't speak to circumstances of him being ordered up there, but the lift that the kid was on was rated for 25 mph winds -- weather reports said gusts were up to 60 mph. At best, it was negligent.

    This post was edited by MikeCaramba on 1/17/2013 at 4:40 PM

    MikeCaramba

  • cmurchison said...

    it didn't do an iota of damage to anyone.

    Beyond absurd.

    "A friend of Tuiasosopo told Deadspin he was "80 percent sure" that Te'o participated and did so with publicity in mind."

    This post was edited by Zonie87 on 1/17/2013 at 7:58 PM

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  • cmurchison said...

    I understand not bringing this out before the BCS game -- that would have created a circus and ultimate distraction -- especially if they believe their guy was actually duped and innocent in the whole matter. It would have taken the focus off the football game and put it on a sideshow.

    There are lots of questions but I am not interested in getting out in front of this on either side -- hating Te'o and calling him a liar or saying he was an innocent, naive young man that was too embarrassed to admit it.

    I don't think anyone expected them to come out with it before the game but should have atleast put a stop to all the inspirational garbage that played before the game

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  • Teammates of te'o admit to knowing gf was a hoax... According to ESPN ticket while watching my blue devils

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  • iBleedRed6801 said...

    Teammates of te'o admit to knowing gf was a hoax... According to ESPN ticket while watching my blue devils

    Here is a link to the story. This is just getting stranger and stranger....

    NCAAF Teammate talks Manti Te'o saga - ESPN

    While not saying that Manti Te'o participated in or knew about the hoax that his girlfriend did not exist,...

    m.espn.go.com

    Husker083

  • Pretty sad this gets more coverage then the student who fell to his death while being told film practice. I guarantee they have investigated this more then they did the young woman who committed suicide after reporting being raped by a member of the football team. I have never liked Notre Dame on the fact they think they are above every university in the country. These stories are proof they still do. Even the statement they put out today contradicts their actions.

    Blackshirts33

  • Blackshirts33 said...

    Pretty sad this gets more coverage then the student who fell to his death while being told film practice. I guarantee they have investigated this more then they did the young woman who committed suicide after reporting being raped by a member of the football team. I have never liked Notre Dame on the fact they think they are above every university in the country. These stories are proof they still do. Even the statement they put out today contradicts their actions.

    You will get no argument from me!

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  • The reason this gets more coverage than the other stories is because it is so strange.

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