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Lot of misinformation in this thread. Understandable, a lot of its been circulating for years. 2 actual facts I would like to point out, one observation, then ya'll can carry on as you see fit:
1 Pedey absolutely IS the reason the coaching search in 03 turned into such a joke. I've told many on this board this before, but he absolutely had Urb until he let his ego get in the way. After that got out, and he continued on his one man mission, things went down hill fast.
2 In 07, TO got down to a final 2 of Turner and Bo by choice, not by necessity. Then Turner removed his name to save his friend and mentor some serious anxiety and wah lah, here's Bo. Had TO been willing to open the checkbook, both Schiano and Kelly were serious options. Among others.
I realize where Nebraska ranks in terms of destination jobs is going to vary amongst posters on here. But everyone needs to realize they vary amongst coaches, too. There are more outstanding coaches out there that would love to coach here if the money was right than many are seemingly willing to give us credit for. And their opinions are the only ones that really matter.
This post was edited by Big Red Phoenix 16 months ago
this thread bores me
I like what you have to say here. I believe NU is a premier job and good many coaches would jump at it.
.. I'll say it definitely isn't the data that I find scary. Your interpretation of it though is really just silly and in that sense it is a little scary to have you spouting off as a fan of Husker football. Normally something this silly/stupid would be in a way amusing but I can't say I'm amused. I suppose because I do think posting this type of 'support' for the program in the middle of recruiting season is the type of dead weight our coaches shouldn't have to overcome from the fan base.
So how do I really feel - I think somewhere between disgusted and now very bored would be about right. But you put a lot of effort into this post and you are defintely entitled to your opinion and can air it anywhere they will have you. I suspect it is even possible fans of other teams may be pasting this onto their sites as well - so congratulations..
I guess that 48 wins in five seasons, five consecutive bowl appearances and resurecting a very troubled and downward trending program in very short order merits the coach being demeaned and then fired in your world. Good luck with that outlook because if the NU administration adopts it we will very likely be going through a whole lot of new coaches in the next few decades. And it will be taking longer and longer for any of them to get to those 48 "meaningless" wins.
1. A guy with three years of coaching experience at sub-BCS programs with one top-25 finish (21st).
2. A guy with one top-25 finish in 7 years at the BCS level, coming off an 8-5 year. And a guy with one year of FBS coaching experience.
You just made my point for me. No doubt Urb or Kelly would have been great hires, but at the times in question, they certainly weren't known quantities.
I don't know why my comments have been taken to mean, "we need to hire poor coaches." I'm saying we need to take risks on (relatively) inexperienced coaches -- like the ones you cited -- give them time to build something, and hope for the best.
EDIT: I see that I said "coordinator" in the post you quoted. My bad. Should read "up-and-coming coordinator/coach" -- don't think we need to restrict our search to coordinators, nor do I think we should exclude them.
This post was edited by MikeCaramba 16 months ago
I laughed at "this thread bores me"
And I find it extremely disturbing that a true Husker fan is hanging his hat on 48 wins in 5 years when none of them are wins that mattered. None of them are wins that make a recruit say, hmmmmmmmmmm NU is a place I wanna go.
You feel that my "spouting off" has a negative effect on recruiting, well I feel that getting your ass handed to you 70-17(34) and 63 to whatever it was, and giving up 6billion yards to UCLA, or last year getting crushed at Wisky and Michigan, etc. etc., etc. has WAY MORE negative effects on recruiting than my being pissed about things.
I wish I had that much effect on things but somehow I just don't see it. What I do see is continuous ass-kickings against good teams, loss after loss in meaningful games, records being set that surpass Cosgrove, piss-poor recruiting in years past leading us to the aforementioned results, which are all the main reasons why we don't recruit well and aren't succeeding.
9-4 10-3 as we are year in and year out now is akin to teams of the Osborne era being 7-3, 8-3 etc. We get 2 more games these days and 1 will always be against the sisters of the poor.
i really could care less what our record is, the bigger deal is how would we stack up against the best teams out there. I know Osborne lost a lot of games to top teams for a long period but he wasn't getting embarrassed while losing.
Bama, LSU, Oregon, ND, Fla, Fla st, Clemson, Georgia, South Carolina, OU, K-State, A&M, tOSU
I would say these are the top teams in the country this year. How do we stack up. There isn't one win there, and of the 13 games there is most likely 6 absolute ass-whoopings.
woohoo, 48 wins, until we can compete with the best teams in the country those wins don't mean anything
If you think I made your point for you, then you are confused on what everyone else's point is. Whether you want to agree with it or not, the guys that we had at the top of our lists in each situation were THE most coveted young coaches in all of college football at the time. I listed the examples I did because of the success they've had since then. Urb was hired by Florida 1 season after Nebraska ended it's search. Does Florida have to "limit" itself in it's coaching searches, as you suggested we do? Brian Kelly went to Notre Dame 2 years later. Are they a "top 10" program in your eyes? Because they are in everyone else's. Did that extra season at Cincinnati make all the difference? Schiano parlayed his Rutgers gig into an NFL HC job.
I don't know if you think everyone's hoping we get rid of Bo so we can go out and hire some 60 yr old re-tred that used to coach championship games, but these young, up and coming coaches are who the good schools go after nowadays.
So you are stating that you wanted Urban Meyer or Brian Kelly to be hired at Nebraska?
How can you say that in retrospect?
I don't want either of the POS coaching our program. One is a fraudulent cheater, and the other is responsible for the death of kid at his school. I understand Urban was a good hire at the time you suggest, but looking back i'd bet our program would be suspected of cheating...BIG TIME. With Kelly i disagree though, he was not the answer for problems we had at the time.
Teein' Off on Links
we are stuck at 25------
as indicated by the analysis above (Bill Parcells indicated "you are your record"), we are stuck at around 25, rankings, recruiting, results against the big guys (25th ranked teams can beat 10-25, but very seldom the big guys a 1-9), and quality of staff (lack a killer closer)
I am not so concerned about the above, but the trajectory. are we getting better? I don't think so, but I hope that recruiting final results and the GA game prove me wrong--if GA is only favored by 10 at gametime, I think that they cover easily--
Somebody help me out here. Apparently I'm not doing a very good job...
Yes, one year made a difference with Urban Meyer. He went undefeated and had a top-5 finish. That raised his stock.
Yes, two years made a difference with Brian Kelly. He won the Big East for the first time the next year, then had an undefeated top-5 finish the next year. That raised his stock.
No, I'm not suggesting people think we should go for 60yo re-treds. I'm suggesting that *some* people (not necessarily you) think if we fire Bo, we can just throw $5M a year at Chris Petersen, Chip Kelly, or whoever, and they'll come. I don't see that happening. Petersen today does not = Urb ca. 2003. C. Kelly today does not = B. Kelly ca. 2007. If you're suggesting we go for top up-and-comers (a term I used multiple times in previous posts), then we're clearly on the same page, no further argument necessary.
If you think Chip Kelly and Chris Petersen are on the same level, we are not on the same page. But still, no further argument necessary.
Kind of stretching for a point of contention, aren't you? Rabble rabble rabble. Good day, sir.
This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by MikeCaramba 16 months ago
Lots of long posts in this thread.
Man you have alot of time on your hands.
this thread is exhausting.
Oath Before Orders
No, I'm not stretching. You, among others, are trying to claim that we couldn't get a top tier coach if Bo left. I'm telling you that each of our last two coaching searches, we had legitimate interest from the most sought-after coaching prospects in the country. What you, or anyone else on this message board, thinks of those prospects doesn't disprove that fact. No, we couldn't go out and get Nick Saban or Urban Meyer anymore. But there are DOZENS of quality coaches out there that would love to come to Nebraska.
Chip Kelly coaches one of the top programs in the country, in one of the top conferences in the country, a BCS conference. Petersen coaches at Boise State. You made a ridiculous comparison, whether you realize it or not.
...It ain't what they call you, it's what you answer to.
W. C. Fields
You want to believe I disagree with you more than I actually disagree with you. You're lumping me in with other people and I believe misconstruing what I've said.
By definition, Urb in '03 and Kelly in '07 were up and coming. They had not accomplished their most notable achievements prior to joining FLA and ND, respectively, during Nebraska's coaching searches. Yes, they had some buzz surrounding them even at that time, but nowhere near the level of Chris Petersen today. In '03, Urb had three years of HC experience with one ranked finish (#21). In '07, Kelly had five years of FBS HC experience, a 62% win rate, and one ranked finish (#17). Right now, Petersen has more experience (7 years), a better win rate (91%+), more conference titles (five), more top-15 finishes (five -- two in the top ten and two in the top five), and an undefeated season. Petersen can write his own ticket. Yeah, I'd rate Chip Kelly ahead of Petersen -- personally, I think Kelly's the most innovative college coach of his generation and arguably the best. However, like Kelly, I think Nebraska would struggle to secure Petersen's services. I've been wrong int he past and would love nothing more than to be wrong about this point -- believe me.
If you're going to define every young coach with three years of experience and one top-25 finish under his belt as "top-tier", then yes, I agree, we can sign top-tier coaches.
There are PLENTY of great coaches out there, as you said, but you have to take risks to find them. Urb in '03 wasn't a sure thing, nor was Kelly in '07. Both would have worked out wonderfully. For those two, like every great coach in the history, someone took a chance on them. I think, if/when we go for a new coach, we need to be the program that takes chances. The way I see it, those top-tier known quantities (Saban, Kelly, Meyer, etc.) are out of reach. So what do we do? We can either go for a second-tier known quantity and hope they'll be more successful at NU, or we can go for top prospects. They won't always work out, but we will eventually strike gold. I say we go the prospect route.
Off-topic here... Scooby (from earlier in this thread): It was pretty cool how you completely disagreed with what I said but managed to refrain from condescending. Thanks, buddy.
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