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“It isn’t just a matter of wins and losses; it’s how you do it. If you lose by a field goal and play well, that’s a little bit different than getting blown out three or four times. I tried to make sure that they completely understood. It isn’t all about winning and losing. Believe me, I understand that. If you lose a fairly large number of games by a significant margin and you have fairly good players, which I think we do, then I think there are some systemic issues."
Tom Osborne statement….HMMM…of course this was from 2007, but it could have been said this morning…and it would mean the same thing to me.
While i see your point, I would encourage you to go back and look at the year he's talking about. He was talking about a bowl-less team that had given up 76 to freaking KU, needed a dropped pass to beat Ball State at home, 41-6 at MU, had the stands cleared by halftime at homecoming, then finished off the season by giving up almost 70 to Colo-freaking-rado.
While our OSU loss was ugly, they are a 12-0 team, undefeated. The UW loss stings, no doubt, we flat got beat up for 60 mintues, it was like the UW of 2 and 3 years ago when they would just run roughshod over teams the entire game. A perfect storm of them being healthy and us being beat up on the DL?? Kids too hyped up, too much pressure of winning 6 in a row? Hell if I know, but PLEASE don't try to compare this season to that 2007 season. As a wise man once said, it ain't in the same ballpark, it ain't even the same f'n sport!
One that that is extremely troubling about this team though, to me, is when things start to go south and we don't bounce right back, things snowball like crazy and games get WAY out of hand. I don't know what it is, but that is tough. It's like when one side of the ball starts to go south the other side presses and they BOTH go in the tank. I don't get it.
,,not so fast my friend! With due respect to Sir / Prof Tom Osborne that statement was directed at Mr. Callahan in 2007 not Coach Bo in 2012. So if that means the same to you i respect you for your opinion Sir. But not to me because i see it just a little differently. There is more that systemic issues with Coach Bo; i dont know what it is.
Quick synopsis, in 2009 Coach Bo had the # 1 defense in the nation! Since it's been down hill man. Even with 48-19 record in five years appears not bad, a likely 10-4 season is not acceptable at Nebraska in 2012
I don't have answers but 'am sure the AD is closely monitoring the situation. Recruiting for sure must be better; location of Lincoln is no excuse (different thread). It's been over 10 years since we played for a NC and 13 years since we won a Conference Championship. Something must change at Nebraska i have no clue what that is or when it should happen.
This post was edited by Khoolshady 16 months ago
I see what you are saying, and 2012 is not 2007.
2007 was for the most part a disaster season. This is not a disaster, but still raises a lot of the same questions in my mind, Therefore, I felt TO's comment from 2007 was relevant today due to "How the loses took place".
OSU is unbeaten, but not unbeatable by any stretch and they owned us. UCLA, although close in score, was not close. All time record for yards gained on our D. And now the Wisconsin game. Another embarrassing loss on National TV and the all time rush yards allowed in our storied history. Because of how these losses took place, I think there are "systemic issues"......scheme, development, preparation, etc.
Yeah, and don't get me wrong HB, I'm not pumping sunshine at all. There is clearly something missing, just not sure what. Does Bo's D absolutely have to have a Tyson Jackson, a Glenn Dorsey or a Suh for it to work? If so, he needs to be on the recruiting trail and doing nothing but knocking on the best DT's in the country, year round and letting his other coaches fill the rest of the roster.
On the surface, I guess I can see how this D, this year, had the ability to have a couple games like we did. Our secondary is good, very good, however, the DT and the LB's were a glaring weakness at the start of Spring Ball and while I think they did a decent job overall of masking the issues and changing things up to help themselves. You can see where if they don't have a great game it could get ugly and get ugly fast. But, looking at our DL and LBs, across the board, for the coaches to be able to get them to be a top 20 defense says they aren't idiots. But, they do need to step up the recruiting on that side, especially now that it appears the offensive recruiting seems to be pretty solid.
It MAY be a systematic issue, I just don't know. But, to me it feels like we have a personnel issue up front right now with the upper classmen, just not good enough.
I have hope that the younger LB's and DT's are as good as advertised, for Bo's sake, they better be I guess.
I'm confused by your statement. What are the problems your talking about?
I agree that there are "systemic issues" and these type of issues usually can be found in the HC. The team takes on the persona of its HC so maybe Bo needs to reevaluate how he is doing things. As the HC Bo is the system so if that is where the problem is then maybe Bo should look into it. Something needs to be done and am confident Bo will find the solution.
Seriously? They don't bounce back? How many double digit second half deficits did they overcome this year? Yes, things snowballed against OSU and Wisconsin but to say that is the story of the season is simply wrong -- it is what happened against 2 talented opponents away from home.
I tried to qualify my statement by saying, when we don't immediately bounce back. Obviously our comebacks this year were impressive. My point was, when we weren't able to get back in it right away, instead of not only adjusting and keeping the game where it is, we just let it get WAY out of hand and turned into MAJOR blowouts. That part is strange to me.
The problems I see are with the talent level on the DL and LB, we just aren't good enough at those positions right now. In my mind anyway. There is nothing even close to a Suh or a Lavonte, granted those are two of the best, but there isn't anyone on the 2 deep that is even close to that level. Not that I can see anyway.
I think you and Bielema watched the same game film!! :-)
Yeah, you think? With Baker out, the gameplan for Wiscy was quite simple. They not only went right at us, which would've worked all night, they decided to take it a step further and throw the book at us. While we were flowing hard to the ball, they killed us with misdirection. We just don't have the speed to get sideline to sideline at the LB level and our DT's were flat manhandled all night, errrrrr, season long.
I would agree that our upper classmen at LB and DL are not very good and are not quick/fast. We have known that all year. The LBs and DLs from last year's class provide hope (because we don't know any better). I agree with your view that our lack of talent on the DL and LB is curious and upsetting. That Nebraska did as well as it did with that talent is also something worth thinking about.
Strongly agree with your last comment. I credit the coaches for making adjustments and basically masking a LOT of our issues up front by changing schemes. However, looking back, you can almost feel that a perfect storm for a game like this was brewing. Although I didn't see 70 points coming, not even close.
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And neither does anyone else.
Everyone has an opinion, a thousand voices going in a thousand different directions. But when there are no clear answers to a loss like this one, well...., that's the most vexing thing of all. Good God, even Wisconsin people can't explain this result.
This 70-31 result is just too perplexing. And we have to live with it.
In the end, I do believe it's players. I believe that this loss is the crop we harvested from those '08 and '09 recruiting classes. Maybe the answer is simply this - we have had more wins than those classes were entitled to. Entitled by talent, if you know what I mean.
Something entitled us to all these wins. Maybe that 'something' is heart. Maybe it's scheme. Probably, we won all those games with a combination of selective talent at running back, receiver corps, scheme and, yes, coaching. This along with 'heart' and 'want-to'. I don't know but we sure won a lot of games. Wins that did not come from Aaron Graham talent or Zach Wiegert or Jason Peter or Ralph Brown talent. Or...., oh, you get it.
A lot of wins, yes...., but maybe, as HuskerSF said in another thread, those wins were made by smoke and mirrors. Sounds about right to me. Squeeze a water balloon and it will bulge out somewhere else. Squeeze it too hard and it bursts. 70-31?
It's not the X's and O's, it's the Jimmies and Joes.
Good points. One think I don't agree with though is the "wins were smoke and mirrors". You don't win college football games, MAJOR conference games, with smoke and mirrors, you just don't. You don't bow your head in shame after a close win, or any win, against another opponent. Not in the current state of CF, you see "lessor" teams rise up week after week in this crazy game. You simply don't win the number of games we won with smoke and mirrors.
Your last sentence nails it. Those 08 and 09 classes you mention are certainly not helping us right now, that's for sure. And, from the looks of it, the coaches obviously see it and are looking for immediate fixes on the recruiting trail.
This makes sense to me. Just thinking that I don't need to invest a great deal of angst into this situation......its the AD's job. After Bo went down at halftime, with stress, I stay back from the pile.
Khool, do you have any thoughts about Tom stepping down before this turned into a situtation like the last coach?
! You are in small company if you think BO will change in anyway. His BIG ego gets in the way. Furthermore, he will eventually coach himself out of a job@ His place is in the NFL!
I disagree with this wholeheartedly. He may have a big ego, most coaches do. But, if you don't think Bo will do anything he possibly can to win, you are nuts. The dude is over the top obsessed with doing nothing but winning.
HuskerB, I with you on this as I have been referencing these exact words for a while now.
I not saying TO thinks this is a similar situation, but I think it's a real close comparison to what he described back in 2007. The other thing is that Callahan lost some of his players and they seemed to have quit on him. Not all, because there were plenty who backed and liked him.
I see similar things with this and last years squad. There definitely looked like quitting on Saturday and in other blowouts also. I get that the majority or all his players like Bo, but they ain't getting it done for him. Can't do anything about talent, either you got it or you don't, but the mental stuff. Why isn't your head in the game son?
It's not about wins/losses, but are you competitive? Sometimes yes and sometimes no, sometimes for two qtrs and sometimes for one qtr, and sometimes not at all. But they have yet to be competitive for 4 qtrs. Even when they win, they are ugly. I believe there is enough talent to play a whole lot better.
Bo's squads have proven over time (arguably 2 seasons now) that they are mentally weak, fundamentally unsound, often uncompetitive, not physical, and outcoached. That to me is the above quoted statement.
This post was edited by 602Husker 16 months ago
Great question i feel the new AD wont pull off the rug from underneath Coach Bo just yet; that move may scare away recruits. The timing of Osborne wasn’t planed in anticipation of the current situation.
Yes the new AD may decide to have "HIS" own coach; because the status quo at Nebraska is unacceptable; that my friend is a general non-vocal sentiment in Husker Nation.
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