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There are plenty of options, if we fired Bo. First lets start with a CC. Then a NC. And how about a top 10 finish. Bo has done none of those in 5 years and 6 and 7 doesn't look promising, if Braxton stays healthy.
That's a big IF in my opinion, they got real lucky last year running him so much and the games where they tried not to run him they really struggled in. They don't have a ton of play makers on the outside either. I think Miller misses at least 2 games this year due to injury.
There are plenty of options is the most you'll get. Actually impressed that he replied.
I'm going to bow out here. I feel dumb criticizing without giving a good rebuttal but there isn't time in my day and I've already fought this battle with Humbe Warrior a few months back.
Ill just say this. It is a hard draw. Nebraska builds coaches. They don't hire go out and hire Dave Wannstedt or , in todays terms, Lovie Smith (although I pray every night they would). They hire a young guy to come in and build.
BD did it. Osborne took over, and eventually built a force like the world has only seen a few times.
Then we brought in the big name. Cally, and look what happens.
Let the coach grow, let him build. This isn't a mass production factory. Nebraska has always been the small craftsmen who gets the job done the right way, even if it takes more time than the brand name.
This post was edited by beardown2489 12 months ago
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Let's not forget The Legend diff. change conferences. Its not that easy...however we gave to move forward at some point.
Rather it is amazing what no consideration of context can do to your opinion!
Tom Osborne took over a team coming off National Titles while Bo took over the worst NU squad in years. Furthermore he completely changed schemes while Tom's transition was more seamless. On top of that Nebraska had big recruiting advantages back then, we were a nationally televised team. That doesn't mean anything anymore and certainly our luster has worn off. Plus the college football environment is much more competitive, look at the sheer number of teams who are making huge investments in athletics. Back then there simply were not as many real competitors.
Now is Bo as good as Tom? I have no idea, but it is not out of the realm of possibility and it is simply unfair to say one cannot make ANY comparison. Tom was great, but he also had a lot of advantages Bo does not. That said we should not stop demanding excellence, rather we should encourage our staff and players to overcome adversity.
(1) Yes I am a fan of that because if your current HC can't win your Conference and 100% can't win a National Title, let alone play for a National Title because in order to do that you can have to lose 1 game at minimum, not 4 every year. You fire him and hire the guy who can. You don't just keep saying "next year"
Bob Devaney 5 years: (4) Big 8 Conference Titles, (4) Top 10 Poll Finishes, (0) Seasons w/4 losses.
Tom Osborne 5 years: (5) Top 10 Finishes, (0) Seasons w/losses,
Bo Pelini 5 years: (0) Top 10 Finishes, (0) Conference Titles, (5) Seasons w/4 losses.
You keep talking about wins, great, this is Nebraska, not Missouri, not Iowa, not Arizona, not Vanderbilt but Nebraska, a program built on winning Conference Titles, Finishing in Top 10 of polls with other blue bloods like Alabama, Notre Dame, Oklahoma, USC, Michigan, Ohio State... Programs like MU, Iowa, Vandy, U of A, would love to go (4) straight years of finishing #14-25 and win 9-10 games, programs like Alabama, ND, SC, tOSU, UM, OU & Nebraska demand you win Conference Titles, play for National Titkes, Finish in Top 10, and NOT lose 4 games a year, it's also why all those programs pay their HC's $3-6M a year.
You keep saying it takes time, Bo Pelini has had his time he just went 10-2, had his greatest chance to win B1G ever with no 12-0 tOSU in BTCG and we watched Wisconsin break every record in our history besides passing numbers. Winners win and losers talk about 'next year'.
(3) Ya I will ignore we win our Division, know why because we have no hardware. Great that we have tied for most wins in the B1G which is a horrible conference, I measure us against other great teams...
Ohio State won 63-35
Georgia won 45-31
South Carolina won 30-13
Alabama, LSU, etc... Would destroy us and all win by 3-5 TDs with ease. Wins, wins, wins, talk to me about Conference Titles, Top 10 Poll Finishes, not wins... But I digress, you can't talk to me about those things because we have known.
As for your last statement I won't have to ever have to say I'm wrong because if it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck, it's a duck. The real question will be when so many folks 'savior' is fired and has goose eggs in Top 10 Poll Finishes, Top 10 recruiting classes, BCS wins, Conference Titles, National Titles will you and many others stop talking about your precious hollow win totals ?
I doubt it
This post was edited by Panda_Bear 12 months ago
Bamboo, or else...
I will say, Bill Callahan's teams were not lacking talent. It's not like Bo came in and had nothing to work with.
I don't think anyone argues against that but football is about a lot more than what guys can do in a weight room. It's X's and O's... And a mentality to get better and give full effort. All that had to be 100% changed
I think this is replying to me?
And yea I agree, especially with the defense. But it is easier to turn around faster when you have the talent. Not trying to diminish Bo's first season at all. Just saying it's not like he turned the team around all be him self. The roster helped him a lot.
Well said, smith. UV and glad to see you're back.
You're spot on by acknowledging how much more competitive college football is today versus Tom's era. I also agree that we should give Pelini time to build. We know the work ethic is there. The only question to me is whether or not Bo is flexible enough to change and make adjustments (on many levels) in order to become better.
I'm just as upset as everyone else about the blow outs. The loss to Wisconsin in the title game is inexcusable. Part of the reason I was so ecstatic when we hired Pelini (and wanted us to hire him when we fired Frank) was because I believed he was the type of guy who could consistently build great defenses. As we saw in '09, a great defense will just about always compensate and give you a chance to win. As we've seen the last two years, a great offense won't always do the same.
The blow outs need to end. That's for sure. I wish he was less of a hot head. But judging on the body of work, I give the guy a B thus far. Can't fire him over that.
Something crazy to think about......
1) If they never put that second back on the clock in Dallas we're probably not having this conversation.
2) If Adi does not miss the football field on the kick off, we're probably not having this conversation.
3) If we don't get the horse collar penalty, we're probably not having this conversation.
4) If the ref's didn't give us the big hefty at College Station we're probably not having this conversation.
5) If we had one more play go our way v. Oklahoma in 2010, we're probably not having this conversation.
On the other side of the spectrum, if Martinez does not pull of all those comebacks last year(and don't forget some help from the ref's v. Penn St.) than we're all hating on Bo and he's possibly already gone. Football's a funny sport.
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Good post Cleetus, +1 Enjoyed this one...
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