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i thought i was going to get attacked by bammers right away. apparently not
You have a logical mind Skerz. It's sad those in power only use their logic for money.
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Haha -- me too.
I think the problem is they set it up so any individual case can be explained away. Oh, he had knee problems. Oh, he had academic problems. Oh, he wanted more playing time elsewhere. The the most damning evidence is circumstantial -- these teams magically make up double-digit scholarship shortfalls between NSD and enrollment -- but that evidence alone isn't enough to prove guilt.
nustudent is correct.
The reality is it isn't against the rules to do what Alabama, LSU, and Auburn are doing.
Football scholarships are 1 year renewable contracts. A team can decide to not renew that contract for any reason.
The SEC allows for 25 scholarships to be handed out in any given year. And that doesn't include back-counting for JUCO's or Early Enrollees that can count against past classes that include transfers, grade failures, or any other number of reasons why a player from the previous class is no longer on the roster.
You and iBleedRed are likely to get lambasted as whiners and complainers on TBB. Fair enough. Bama fans will stick by the very fact that they aren't breaking any rules and will not want to talk about ethics or morals in any form or fashion. Hell, since we are a part of the Big 10, I'm sure they'll bring up Penn State and Ohio State as strawman arguments on their side.
I've done this before. Iv'e seen all the arguments from Alabama and LSU fans. In the end, they'll always resort to it not being against the rules and that our team sucks and should try to run our program by the rules at hand or continue to get whipped by the SEC.
It is a pointless argument with them. And like I said before, it is like arguing about Mary Jane with a Heroine addict. Morals and ethics simply don't matter to them.
i am upvoting each and every one of your posts in this thread.
Page 2 and no devidee.......yet.
Feed me to the wolves, and I will return leader of the pack. #FreeDA
he is not allowed on tBB is he? wasn't he the one that made a bet?
I was talking about ITT. Yeah he made the bet, but is still on TBB. He was always the best at trolling the SEC guys about oversigning. Some of his threads were pretty funny.
Now, as for some factual information?
Feel free to use these numbers, and YES, they are right.
Since 2008, and with the known recruiting classes, the 4 power programs that have actually had the same head coach in charge rooting talent from the best of the best talent beds in Alabama, LSU, Texas, and Oklahoma we have the following signing classes for each (2008-2012):
Alabama: 32, 28, 26, 23, 26 for a total of 135
LSU: 26, 24, 29, 23, 23 for a total of 125
Texas: 24, 28, 24, 22, 19 for a total of 117
Oklahoma: 22, 23, 29, 17, 25 for a total of 116
Is anybody surprised that the 2 SEC powers have landed more recruits than the Big 12 powers over the past 5 years? The past 5 years in which they are all in big time recruiting hubs amongst the entire nation (with 0 coaching turnover) that haven't been put on probation and still have their head coach from 2008 still in tact.
At its colletive worst you have Texas and Oklahoma left behind by 19 and/or 18 recruits less than the SEC's biggest power in Alabama. At it's collective best, LSU has landed 8 more recruits in the past 5 years than Texas and 9 more than Oklahoma.
I don't care what they say, those are 4 of the biggest power recruiting schools as you'll find in the country. They have all been on equal terms over the past 5 years.
So...., why the difference? And why are the 2 SEC schools at the top for total numbers of recruits for these 5 years? Looks like Texas and Oklahoma are pretty close in total numbers. The outliers are LSU, and more importantly Alabama.
"Ohio St. has signed 68 the last three recruiting classes ('10-'12). They have 22 committed and also have nine rSR (from '09 class) next year, bringing their total to 99. Guess they will need to "force out" quite as few as well."
Urbs has experience on his side.
Like I said earlier Skerz... I know too much about Alabama to have any respect for that program and how they treat kids. It may technically be "legal" but it's far from decent. There's also a lot to how their current stars get treated... if the NCAA really wanted to, both LSU and Alabama could get HAMMERED big time.
they are not willing to see what is right in front of them. what they don't understand is attrition does happen and it is 100% acceptable in most cases. what is different on LOI signing day all B1G teams are only allowed 88 scholarship players. meaning all 'attrition' had happened prior to LOI day. the SEC is only required to have their scholarship numbers down to 85 by fall camp. and up to i believe 95 on LOI day
you should voice your opinion on tBB
I would... I just don't want to waste my time. I've talked with many an Alabama fan about it, their eyes are blind to it, all they see are championships and they don't care how the kids are treated unless they are the students' parents (and even then, sometimes not).
What are they going to 'hammer' Alabama and LSU about?
Alabama and their boosters have been put on probation so many times that they all know the rules and how to get around them. It is the new age of 'moonshining'.
Alabama is like the mafia nowadays when they have the right man in charge. Abide by these rules and everything will be OK for the boosters:
1. Don't get caught
2. If you get caught, shut your trap
3. If you get caught, and talk, you'll no longer be a part of our 'brotherhood' and be an outcast amongst all Alabamans
The boosters and anybody close to that program want to be so much a part of that program that they will abide by those rules.
If people won't talk, what exactly can the NCAA do? Levy sanctions based upon hearsay?
I think the funniest argument that people actually believe on the other thread (besides the "Big Ten coaches suck at math" argument, which seriously happened) is that Alabama & Co. are just so good that more kids can't hack it and, therefore, have to transfer to Southeastern Georgia CC to get playing time.
The problem with this logic is that depth is totally relative and not at all dependent on talent. Theoretically, a 3rd or 4th-stringer at Indiana is just as unlikely to see playing time as a 3rd or 4th stringer from Nebraska, who is just as unlikely to see playing time as a 3rd or 4th-stringer from San Diego State, who is just as unlikely to see playing time as a 3rd or 4th-stringer from Alabama -- you get the point. So why are the 3rd and 4th-stringers at all of those other schools so much less likely to transfer than those from Alabama or LSU? Hmm...
At the end of the day, I much prefer the fans who just say, "so what?" At least they're being honest. I may completely disagree with their position from a subjective standpoint, but at least they're being honest about the debate. The fans that delude themselves into thinking SEC coaches are better at math/SEC players are thirstier for playing time and are therefore more likely to transfer to lower-division schools/whatever are impossible to talk to.
therein lies the problem... no... The NCAA needs to get better at investigating. Someone will get lazy, and get caught red handed. It's rampant down there, not just a brotherhood, a neighborhood. Just look at the cars these kids drive, the money they have..... the (ahem) company they keep... it's obvious. It really is.
Actually, the SEC doesn't care about NLOI day other than the 25 number per class in which that rule can be circumvented by back-classing. A team in the SEC could theoretically be at 100 or more on NLOI day and they wouldn't be breaking any SEC or NCAA rules.
An SEC school can be at 100 on February 10th, but as long as they are at 85 by fall camp, it doesn't matter. It fits the rules at hand.
The NCAA has under 50 actual people in their in the field members the last time I checked.
They are to oversee not only FBS college football, but every other division and sport of NCAA athletics. That includes women and men. That includes Divisions I, II, and III, as well as FBS vs. FCS.
Are they to investigate every hearsay event?
The NCAA is understaffed, undermanned, and completely up against the wall when it comes to performing legitimate investigations into any program.
Like I said before, if a school keeps its trap shut, there isn't much the NCAA can do if a school is fully willing to cheat the rules at hand, and keep quiet about doing so.
this is why the NCAA needs to make recruiting rules and signing rules across the board instead of allowing conferences to set their own standards.
Alabama is unbelievable. I lived with a booster who owned a skybox at Bryant Kenny stadium and worked at the county club at which the Kenny's were members. I learned a lot if stuff being around that place. Way more in 5 months there than I did in 5 years in Lincoln. Not saying N is holy but they are angles comparing to Bama.
I have 5 years of info like that weighing on my mind every time I look at Bama.
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