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I'm not trying to talk down on you or anything slandering but do you realize how silly this sounds when you put in context?
To those out there who think there should be an open competition:
There won't be, it's as simple as that. Taylor has earned the job. For someone to think Armstrong could beat him out is preposterous to me. Taylor isn't a perfect quarterback. I've posted my thoughts on here many times (most recently breaking down his film from the bowl game) but even with his flaws, he has proven worthy of our starting quarteback.
This post was edited by beardown2489 17 months ago
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Whether you like Taylor or not, this is very true.
Sadly, the problems in Nebraska are in the coaching offices and the fans that sit in the seats and defend them.
Every position should always remain open for competition.
Back in 2001, the Patriots inked Drew Bledsoe to the then biggest contract in NFL history. 6 months later he took a hit that knocked him out of the game.
Even though Bledsoe was a 2 time All Pro, and 4 time Pro Bowler, even his job wasn't safe when Tom Brady came in and started winning games. He won so many games that the Pats won the Super Bowl and the very next year Bledsoe was no longer a piece of the team. I think we know how well that move has turned out for the Pats.
Nobody's position is safe. And that is the way it should be regardless if you are a returning starter or even all-conference player. What would be silly is to not have players competing forspots and to dole out playing time to returning and older guys.
Conference title or bust.
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12 wins wouldn't be progress Josh? Why not?
Yes this is the supposed motto of a Bo Pelini Nebraska team. Yet it doesn't seem to apply to TM for some bizarre reason. In 2010 a redshirt Fr. TM was given an opportunity to compete against a very capable returning starter who was entering his 2nd season in the offense and had a very good showing in the Holiday Bowl. Pelini and Co. say that TM won that battle and he played, although I personally think that decision cost us 1 to 2 wins that season. We were planning for the future! Now Beardown is saying that TM is NOT subject to the same type of competition, which does seem to be the perception. Boy, that will really build team morale! A guy who has averaged more than 2 turnovers per game during his career all by himself (much, much higher against quality competition) would not be subjected to proving he is the best player for the team at the position when there are reportedly incredibly talented alternatives? Do you realize how asinine that sounds?!?!?
There are rumblings from camp that TA is an unbelievable talent. I've heard people reference him as the second coming of Tommie Frazer but a better passer. None of us know if that is right, wrong or even close; but let's make a presumption Beardown. Let's assume that TA is the second coming of Tommie Frazier/Turner Gill or something really close. Are you in that scenario really going to pick Turnover Martinez over a young Tommie Frazier or Turner Gill? Wow!!!!! TM has never produced anything, and never will, that approaches either of those two historic QBs. I could really tear into this but I will defer because I wouldn't be kind.
based solely on strength of schedule mainly...
You can't run around the big kid in the yard and go take out the midget all call your self better. The big kid is still there, waiting for ya.
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Taylor was given the job, signaling a change in offensive scheme. Bo likely felt he needs to make his power move and change direction. So Ya, he was planning for the future.
Our current situation is completely so it's stupid to compare the two. Why play for the future when things up well for us presently? 2013 couldn't be set more perfectly for the huskers.
I feel competition is good in almost every situation, but not in certain quarterback situation. It's the exception to the rule in my eyes. You can disagree, that's fine. If you can convince to change my opinion the good, but most recent post didn't do that for me. Comparing the 2010 situation to 2013 is only going to make me giggle. The situations are worlds apart.
I'm all ears and I'm not the kind of guy to be stuck to my opinion no matter what you say. If you can explain why I am wrong and show me the right answer then ill change mine.
I'd like to say CCG win but I'm not sure we have the defense to get it done this year. BCS appearance would be a good consolation though.
Experience is most important at the QB and MLB position in football... experience factors into the competition. Someone has to blow away the coaches with knowledge, poise under fire, and athleticism to beat out a 3 year starter, especially at those two positions. If TA can unseat Taylor, that means he has done that, if he doesn't that means whatever TA initially brings to the table does not trump Martinez's talent, experience and knowledge combined.
Just because Martinez has a mile head start doesn't mean it's not an open competition. Just means it's a nearly insurmountable lead.
To me success is tied with progress.
Is 10 wins and no conf championship progress?
Is 11 wins with this schedule and no conf championship progress?
We will be favored going into the season in every game except maybe UCLA or Michigan. And will be favored in at least 1 of those maybe both.
We have a 4 year starter a qb. This is year 6 for Bo.
You win ccg. That is progress.
Anything else not progress. Our schedule is very easy.
And no freaking blow outs.
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I don't think there will be an open competition at QB, because if you do you have "live" scrimmages and run the risk of TM getting hurt.
Maybe TA will prove to be a better QB than TM but he will not get the chance to prove it next season.
If we have an undefeated regular season but lose in the CCG in a close game to OSU, I would consider that a big step forward. We'd get an at large bid in a BCS game and have a chance to beat a really good team. We'd have to win that BCS game for me to truly consider this season a success though.
If we lose to Michigan but somehow still get into the CCG and beat OSU, the season is a success regardless of record or bowl result.
Anything else would be exactly what we've been doing the last 5 years.
I don't know how this turned into a TM vs TA thread but I'll bite.
First off, none of you have seen TA play since high school so I don't know how we can compare. TM has earned this spot and our offence has been very successful with him. He screws up a lot but if he takes just a small step forward this year we will have one of the top 5 offences in the history of the program.
We average 460.8 yards per game last year (#1 in B1G). Since 1994, only '95 (556), '97 (513), '94 (477) and 2007 (468) averaged more.
We all know TM's weaknesses. Hes TO prone and doesn't have great pocket presence. If he cuts down on 4-5 TO's this year we easily get 40 more yards a game and will have one of the best O's ever at NU. I don't see why there is even a QB conversation.
Taylor vs. Tommy.
You have a guy in Taylor with 3 years starting experience coming back healthy. He is also seeing off season help again, which he should improve more than he did last year.
You have Tommy, who is coming off of knee surgery. A kid that is well known around the staff and those who watch practice and being well ahead of Taylor in regards to the option. Tommy has ZERO experience under the lights. Tommy is going to be a good QB and this is going to be completely different than ZL or CG vs TM.
Couple those things with the pressure thats on Bo to win this year, its hard to pass up Taylor for a unknown. I truly hope he gets snaps, and when he does we give him a chance. He will make some waves.
Exactly. I don't think there is a scenario where Tommy takes the job from Taylor. I think Tommy will be a good QB, but if Taylor can improve again this offseason he could be very good this season. Like you said though, I really hope we get Taylor out of games more this season though then Tommy can get a few snaps.
This...Nicely done, Klein....
Well I can see that by the fact that you completely ignored the question posed. Answer the question and then we can talk.
This I would agree with if true. The point is that this does not appear to match up with reality.
who are you addressing this to?
it doesn't "appear" to match up with reality because Coaches aren't stupid. They saw TA all season last season, and if he would have jumped out as someone that is worth replacing a 3 year starter they would know that before the spring of 2013. The fact is, they understand that Martinez has a lock on the position because of his experience, talent and knowledge combined. They aren't being unfair to Tommy, they are being realistic.
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