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Cardinal Mooney coach talks Heard transfer

  • Landohusker said...

    BS. If they wanted to get him on the field, they should have given him more carries.

    They could have given him more carries, but if he was a liability in pass-pro he was going to be limited no matter what. I would have liked to see him get 4-5 more carries a game, but that's about as good as it was going to get with his blocking problems.

    Make him a combo RB/Slot WR, and he could have been on the field far more often, and if used like Barner at Oregon, likely maximize his potential in the Beck offense.

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  • Anybody else find it strange that a co-defensive coordinator is in the middle of all of these discussions and being like...I don't know, a spokesman for Mooney?

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  • Where did that come from anyway, that Heard couldn't block and Ameer is the best at it so that is why he gets all the carries?

    602Husker

  • Landohusker said...

    Obviously Heard disagrees with your sources.

    Not vouching for Waterfowl's comment, but I don't see how it's contradictory to the Heard situation.

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  • TheUnknownFan said...

    Kind of hard to determine Heard's true mindset.

    From what I understand, Heard was not being asked to change his position entirely, just to take reps at Slot WR as another way of getting him on the field. The Barner reference is a good one. It could have been a way that Beck was going to get Heard on the field more often in different looks where he could have been a receiver, a guy motioning through the backfield for a flash sweep, or what have you. In all frankness, this sounded more like a plan to make Heard a bigger contributor, not relegate him to the lower ranks of another position.

    I wonder if Bo, Beck, and Heard have really had a meeting of the minds on this. I also wonder if Heard has already been granted his release and it's too late to discuss it.

    Can't say for sure what the real plan for Heard was, but if it was anything like I'm imagining, I would think Bo and Beck could enlighten him about his prospects. Unless he thinks he's a 25 carry a game workhorse RB, which I doubt most of his supporters even think he is. Heard as a RB/WR in a similar mode to what Oregon or West Virginia uses could have been a very good thing for Heard and the Huskers.

    I understand your speculating here, I think, but if you were right it sounds to me like the staff has no idea what they want to do with him. While they were trying to figure it out by bouncing him around, they lost him.

    I have no idea because he hasn't been given the chance to even carry the ball a hanful of times a game, but what do you see or not see that shows he could not be a 25 carry a game guy?

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  • 602Husker said...

    I understand your speculating here, I think, but if you were right it sounds to me like the staff has no idea what they want to do with him. While they were trying to figure it out by bouncing him around, they lost him.

    I have no idea because he hasn't been given the chance to even carry the ball a hanful of times a game, but what do you see or not see that shows he could not be a 25 carry a game guy?

    It's hard as a fan to comment on that one way or the other. We just don't see what the coaches see. I liked what I saw when Heard ran. He always ran hard, had good vision and could go from 0-60 in no time. But that's all during limitted action in a game. I haven't even been able to really see him in a spring game. I know the coaches aren't perfect, but they have reasons for why they do things. I think they wanted to get him on the field without taking Abdullah off it.

    I saw a tweet (I can't find it now) by someone today saying that coaches confirmed that they asked Heard to take SOME reps at WR. Honestly, I'm not entirely sold that this situation is over. He might come back into the fold... chances are he doesn't, but the fact that nobody on the Nerbaska coaching staff has said anything to confirm this is interesting. Let's hope it's a mis-understanding.

    One thing I always thought they could do with Heard is have him return kick-offs.

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  • MikeCaramba said...

    Not vouching for Waterfowl's comment, but I don't see how it's contradictory to the Heard situation.

    Heard isn't leaving because he doesn't like Nebraska anymore, he is leaving because of Playing time, and switching positions. How is that not contradictory.

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  • Landohusker said...

    Heard isn't leaving because he doesn't like Nebraska anymore, he is leaving because of Playing time, and switching positions. How is that not contradictory.

    Wasn't Waterfowl's comment that he was told he would get limited PT last year and was recommended to redshirt? That's totally in-line with being upset about not getting PT.

    Again, I can't vouch for the accuracy of that story -- I have no inside info -- but it's not contradictory to what sources have said re: Heard.

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  • klein12 said...

    It's hard as a fan to comment on that one way or the other. We just don't see what the coaches see. I liked what I saw when Heard ran. He always ran hard, had good vision and could go from 0-60 in no time. But that's all during limitted action in a game. I haven't even been able to really see him in a spring game. I know the coaches aren't perfect, but they have reasons for why they do things. I think they wanted to get him on the field without taking Abdullah off it.

    I saw a tweet (I can't find it now) by someone today saying that coaches confirmed that they asked Heard to take SOME reps at WR. Honestly, I'm not entirely sold that this situation is over. He might come back into the fold... chances are he doesn't, but the fact that nobody on the Nerbaska coaching staff has said anything to confirm this is interesting. Let's hope it's a mis-understanding.

    One thing I always thought they could do with Heard is have him return kick-offs.

    I agree with all of this. I never understood why Heard didn't return kicks. Especially when Ameer was taking the majority of the load at RB.

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  • MikeCaramba said...

    Wasn't Waterfowl's comment that he was told he would get limited PT last year and was recommended to redshirt? That's totally in-line with being upset about not getting PT.

    Again, I can't vouch for the accuracy of that story -- I have no inside info -- but it's not contradictory to what sources have said re: Heard.

    He said he got Limited playing time, because of an injury. Heard must have not thought he wasn't injured(or injured enough) for Limited playing time.

    This post was edited by Landohusker on 1/30/2013 at 2:04 PM

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  • 602Husker said...

    Where did that come from anyway, that Heard couldn't block and Ameer is the best at it so that is why he gets all the carries?

    Probably from the fact that when he was in a game, he was never asked to block or carry on any other function. When he was in the game, he got the ball unless Martinez changed the play. That points to a guy who isn't being counted on for much else.

    I like Heard a lot and envisioned an offense where both he and Abdullah could be on the field at the same time. From the sounds of things, this would have facilitated that concept. Lots of team feature guys running from slot/WR positions via motion or shifts. Beck's plan may have been for this to happen. Don't know.

    Braylon evidently thought he deserved #1 RB reps, but it's pretty hard to argue that he would have been better than AA was in 2012 or would be in 2013. With Rex gone, his role was very likely to increase this year. That's why this seems like an ill fated decision.

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  • TheUnknownFan said...

    Probably from the fact that when he was in a game, he was never asked to block or carry on any other function. When he was in the game, he got the ball unless Martinez changed the play. That points to a guy who isn't being counted on for much else.

    I like Heard a lot and envisioned an offense where both he and Abdullah could be on the field at the same time. From the sounds of things, this would have facilitated that concept. Lots of team feature guys running from slot/WR positions via motion or shifts. Beck's plan may have been for this to happen. Don't know.

    Braylon evidently thought he deserved #1 RB reps, but it's pretty hard to argue that he would have been better than AA was in 2012 or would be in 2013. With Rex gone, his role was very likely to increase this year. That's why this seems like an ill fated decision.

    Rex was basically gone last year, and he got maybe 5% of the reps. Doubt he would have gotten more this year.

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  • Heard would have been smart to RS. Personally, I thought the best move for him would have been stay at DB and redshirt. He obviously chose differently. At heart, he is a RB.

    IF he was upset by the suggestion of another position change to get him on the field, then the writin was on the wall. It's not hard to see. A transfer may have been on his mind even before this.

    It's clear he feels he deserves a chance to be a true contributor. We all know that didn't happen this year. It's not surprising he'd consider a transfer.

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  • beardown2489 said...

    Heard would have been smart to RS. Personally, I thought the best move for him would have been stay at DB and redshirt. He obviously chose differently. At heart, he is a RB.

    IF he was upset by the suggestion of another position change to get him on the field, then the writin was on the wall. It's not hard to see. A transfer may have been on his mind even before this.

    It's clear he feels he deserves a chance to be a true contributor. We all know that didn't happen this year. It's not surprising he'd consider a transfer.

    article says he thought about transfering last year when asked to move to CB. Let's not forget that Ohio State recruited him as a CB, we told him we were recruiting him as a RB.

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  • TheUnknownFan said...

    Probably from the fact that when he was in a game, he was never asked to block or carry on any other function. When he was in the game, he got the ball unless Martinez changed the play. That points to a guy who isn't being counted on for much else.

    I like Heard a lot and envisioned an offense where both he and Abdullah could be on the field at the same time. From the sounds of things, this would have facilitated that concept. Lots of team feature guys running from slot/WR positions via motion or shifts. Beck's plan may have been for this to happen. Don't know.

    Braylon evidently thought he deserved #1 RB reps, but it's pretty hard to argue that he would have been better than AA was in 2012 or would be in 2013. With Rex gone, his role was very likely to increase this year. That's why this seems like an ill fated decision.

    If the problem was pass blocking as has been mentioned then playing time may not have increased unless that was solved.

    Do we have any former college players on the board - doesn't seem like learning how to pass protect should be that difficult but I'd be curious if anyone has some perspective on that. -- I know that I've heard it has kept RBs from getting anything but spot playing time at both the pro and college level though.

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  • Landohusker said...

    Rex was basically gone last year, and he got maybe 5% of the reps. Doubt he would have gotten more this year.

    Maybe not, but Ron Brown is on the record about over-working AA during Rex's absence. Think that would have improved for things for BH this year.

    Anyway, I think the position "change" is being mis-construed. I think it was more about BH operating out of 2 positions, not just 1, thus giving him more chances to be on the field.

    TheUnknownFan

  • Landohusker said...

    He said he got Limited playing time, because of an injury. Heard must have not thought he wasn't injured(or injured enough) for Limited playing time.

    There -- you just came up with a plausible scenario in which the rumor and Heard's (indirect) statements don't contradict: Heard was upset because he thought he wasn't injured enough to be limited. The very fact that you could envision this scenario is proof that the stories aren't contradictory.

    Truth is another matter. They might not be true -- I have no idea -- but they are definitely not contradictory. That is all I was saying.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by MikeCaramba on 1/30/2013 at 3:08 PM

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  • klein12 said...

    It's hard as a fan to comment on that one way or the other. We just don't see what the coaches see. I liked what I saw when Heard ran. He always ran hard, had good vision and could go from 0-60 in no time. But that's all during limitted action in a game. I haven't even been able to really see him in a spring game. I know the coaches aren't perfect, but they have reasons for why they do things. I think they wanted to get him on the field without taking Abdullah off it.

    I saw a tweet (I can't find it now) by someone today saying that coaches confirmed that they asked Heard to take SOME reps at WR. Honestly, I'm not entirely sold that this situation is over. He might come back into the fold... chances are he doesn't, but the fact that nobody on the Nerbaska coaching staff has said anything to confirm this is interesting. Let's hope it's a mis-understanding.

    One thing I always thought they could do with Heard is have him return kick-offs.

    Agree, hard to know.

    I dont see Heard as a liar, I have to accept the article saying the staff asked him to switch. The coaches will never share that convo anyways.

    You might be right that it's not over, but it appears that way. Seems like Heard is mentally done going back to last year.

    602Husker

  • klein12 said...

    article says he thought about transfering last year when asked to move to CB. Let's not forget that Ohio State recruited him as a CB, we told him we were recruiting him as a RB.

    Ya but he would have been the only RB that year. He really hurt himself not qualifying that year. .

    This post was edited by beardown2489 on 1/30/2013 at 3:30 PM

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