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Aaron Bailey > Tommy A

  • eastofwest said...

    TA does have the advantage of actually becoming Husker and wearing Red in the fall. At this point, any TA vs AB discussion is comparing a bird in the hand to, I don't know, vapor.

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    We are comparing HS tape to HS tape.

    BigGameJames

  • BigGameJames said...

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    We are comparing HS tape to HS tape.

    you are right... his point was that TA will have already been in the system for a year when/if Bailey gets on campus.

    klein12 ●

  • I think Beardown hits it on the head. It's nearly impossible to compare one player with another coming out of HS. How well each played has so many variables, particularly quality of competition, and personal development.

    As we should all know you cannot gauge how much a player is going to improve once he gets on campus or well he's going to fit into the chemistry of the team. We also never really know who is going to turn into a team leader.

    I'm grateful that the staff was able to land Armstrong last year, and I anticipate they will get a skilled QB for this class, but their are so many variables, including players already on the team, that you really never know which players are going to be significant.

    When we start to proclaim one player better than another before they've even had a single practice, we really set ourselves up for disappointment and controversy, but I suppose that's part of our stock in trade.

    It is nice to see some real depth of quality at the position of QB.

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  • klein12 said...

    you are right... his point was that TA will have already been in the system for a year when/if Bailey gets on campus.

    I think his point was that TA is already committed and signed, where as AB is not even committed, publicly, yet.

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  • Big Red Phoenix said...

    I have seen Texas football. I understand the talent level is deeper there. Top level talent on the other hand I feel is comparable....this is what i posted. Read before u disagree. shrug

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  • I didn't think about this last night when I was just drunk and punching keys, but this is actually an inappropriate topic and I don't agree with having a thread title for two players like this.

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  • beardown2489 said...

    I didn't think about this last night when I was just drunk and punching keys, but this is actually an inappropriate topic and I don't agree with having a thread title for two players like this.

    What is inappropriate about it? Just curious.

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  • Having players who arent even on campus yet and using the ">" ... "Bailey or Armstrong, More Upside?" would be more appropriate.

    Its nit pickin i know. Just seems a little out of line to me.

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  • beardown2489 said...

    I have seen Texas football. I understand the talent level is deeper there. Top level talent on the other hand I feel is comparable....this is what i posted. Read before u disagree. shrug

    I read you're whole post. I read the sentence where you said IL top tier talent is very good...then I watched your post proceed to argue about competition level, and why it's unfair to compare kids based on the state they played in.

    I responded with why I think it's hard to compare IL's top talent with TX's top talent because TX's top talent plays against top talent almost every week, while IL's top talent plays against top talent a couple times a year. Which makes TX's top talent much more polished/seasoned than IL's.

    If you don't feel my post applied to what you wrote, that's fine. I feel it does.

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  • Big Red Phoenix said...

    I read you're whole post. I read the sentence where you said IL top tier talent is very good...then I watched your post proceed to argue about competition level, and why it's unfair to compare kids based on the state they played in.

    I responded with why I think it's hard to compare IL's top talent with TX's top talent because TX's top talent plays against top talent almost every week, while IL's top talent plays against top talent a couple times a year. Which makes TX's top talent much more polished/seasoned than IL's.

    If you don't feel my post applied to what you wrote, that's fine. I feel it does.

    That's a subjective opinion. Texas schools aren't playing IL schools, so no one really knows whic schools are playing top talent every week.

    It's the same as saying that Florida talent is better than California talent, of better than Texas talent.

    No one really knows about overall talent levels.

    Not every Texas school is full of top talent. Not anymore than IL or Florida or California, for that matter.

    We're not going to be able to compare these kids until they're playing against each other for the same job.

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    daddyact

  • beardown2489 said...

    Having players who arent even on campus yet and using the ">" ... "Bailey or Armstrong, More Upside?" would be more appropriate.

    Its nit pickin i know. Just seems a little out of line to me.

    This thread is not the slighest bit out of line.

    You are out of line for saying it is inappropriate ON A MESSAGE BOARD to compare the "tools" (lol) of two high school dual-threat quarterbacks.

    BigGameJames

  • daddyact said...

    That's a subjective opinion. Texas schools aren't playing IL schools, so no one really knows whic schools are playing top talent every week.

    It's the same as saying that Florida talent is better than California talent, of better than Texas talent.

    No one really knows about overall talent levels.

    Not every Texas school is full of top talent. Not anymore than IL or Florida or California, for that matter.

    We're not going to be able to compare these kids until they're playing against each other for the same job.

    So comparing Texas' talent with Illinois' is the same as comparing Florida's with California's?

    Only in your mind, DA.

    Why don't we just recruit all Nebraska kids then, huh? I mean, you can't really tell if any of these kids from Florida or California or Texas are better than the kids around here since they haven't played each other. Recruiting would be so much easier, Bo would be THRILLED!

    Big Red Phoenix

  • Big Red Phoenix said...

    So comparing Texas' talent with Illinois' is the same as comparing Florida's with California's?

    Only in your mind, DA.

    Why don't we just recruit all Nebraska kids then, huh? I mean, you can't really tell if any of these kids from Florida or California or Texas are better than the kids around here since they haven't played each other. Recruiting would be so much easier, Bo would be THRILLED!

    Man, not every Texas player is a four star player. Are you trying to tell me that Texas HS teams only have four stars on their teams?

    Not every California player is a four star either. Same in Florida.

    Aaron Bailey may well be better than Tommy Armstrong, but there is absolutely no objective way to arrive at that conclusion based on HS film of their play in games.

    Why are getting upset about this? I'm merely saying that just because you live in Texas that doesn't mean that a Texas four star player is automatically better than an Illinois four star player. That's pure myopia at work.

    If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion.

    daddyact

  • daddyact said...

    Man, not every Texas player is a four star player. Are you trying to tell me that Texas HS teams only have four stars on their teams?

    Not every California player is a four star either. Same in Florida.

    Aaron Bailey may well be better than Tommy Armstrong, but there is absolutely no objective way to arrive at that conclusion based on HS film of their play in games.

    Why are getting upset about this? I'm merely saying that just because you live in Texas that doesn't mean that a Texas four star player is automatically better than an Illinois four star player. That's pure myopia at work.

    I live in Omaha, Nebraska. I've never lived in Texas, and have no ties to Texas. About the only thing I like about Texas is the Dallas Cowboys and the recruits we manage to pull out of there. I don't have any ties to Illinois, either. And I very clearly said that Texas has it's share of bad and mediocre football. I also said that comparing entire states was way too big a sample size. But when you narrow it down to Texas 5A (which is what Tommy played in so is the only one that is really relevant here), the competition he faces week in and week out is night and day better than what Aaron faces.

    You can keep saying there's no way to know that, but when you're playing teams that have several future D1 prospects on them vs teams that are lucky to have one or two, it's pretty obvious to the rest of the world that that means the competition's better. And I think most sane people agree with the premise that competing against better competition makes you better.

    Let me ask you this - have you ever actually BEEN to a Texas 5A football game? Or a high school game with multiple D1 prospects in it anywhere? Perhaps that's why you don't believe anyone can tell the difference, because you haven't had the opportunity to see for yourself.

    This post was edited by Big Red Phoenix on 4/23/2012 at 4:42 PM

    Big Red Phoenix

  • Big Red Phoenix said...

    I live in Omaha, Nebraska. I've never lived in Texas, and have no ties to Texas. About the only thing I like about Texas is the Dallas Cowboys and the recruits we manage to pull out of there. I don't have any ties to Illinois, either. And I very clearly said that Texas has it's share of bad and mediocre football. I also said that comparing entire states was way too big a sample size. But when you narrow it down to Texas 5A (which is what Tommy played in so is the only one that is really relevant here), the competition he faces week in and week out is night and day better than what Aaron faces.

    You can keep saying there's no way to know that, but when you're playing teams that have several future D1 prospects on them vs teams that are lucky to have one or two, it's pretty obvious to the rest of the world that that means the competition's better. And I think most sane people agree with the premise that competing against better competition makes you better.

    Let me ask you this - have you ever actually BEEN to a Texas 5A football game? Or a high school game with multiple D1 prospects in it anywhere? Perhaps that's why you don't believe anyone can tell the difference, because you haven't had the opportunity to see for yourself.

    Good lawdy folks. Lemme get this inappropriate thread back on track...

    Bailey the passer >= Tommy the lofter

    BigGameJames

  • BigGameJames said...

    Good lawdy folks. Lemme get this inappropriate thread back on track...

    Bailey the passer >= Tommy the lofter

    Bailey is NOT a passer

    Bailey Junior Statistics:
    30TDs running
    10TDs passing
    1600 yrds running
    1040 passing.

    Armstrong Junior Statistics:
    8 tds rushing
    19TDs passing
    512 yrds running
    1340 yrds passing

    It's not fair to use Armstrong's stats from senior year as Bailey has yet to play his. It's also worth noting that the offenses the two quarterbacks ran were completely different, as was the competition (which has been discussed at length). Bailey very well may have to stronger arm but TA is much more of a "passer."

    klein12 ●

  • klein12 said...

    Bailey is NOT a passer

    Bailey Junior Statistics:
    30TDs running
    10TDs passing
    1600 yrds running
    1040 passing.

    Armstrong Junior Statistics:
    8 tds rushing
    19TDs passing
    512 yrds running
    1340 yrds passing

    It's not fair to use Armstrong's stats from senior year as Bailey has yet to play his. It's also worth noting that the offenses the two quarterbacks ran were completely different, as was the competition (which has been discussed at length). Bailey very well may have to stronger arm but TA is much more of a "passer."

    Ill just call it "arm talent" to go Wats on you. Bailey has more upside as a passer, imo. Dont care if TA's offense had him throwing more, ill take AB's arm.

    Ill say what i said about TA 2 months ago--nothing jumps out at me when watching his highlights. Maybe the amount of air under his meduim passes or his punt-like
    (taylor like?) bombs did.

    BigGameJames

  • I havent read everyones posts but I am not sure I want to argue who is "better"... Once/If Bailey commits I think we can all agree we are happy we have both of them on our sideline instead of on the opposing teams sideline come saturdays... clap

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  • BigGameJames said...

    Ill just call it "arm talent" to go Wats on you. Bailey has more upside as a passer, imo. Dont care if TA's offense had him throwing more, ill take AB's arm.

    Ill say what i said about TA 2 months ago--nothing jumps out at me when watching his highlights. Maybe the amount of air under his meduim passes or his punt-like (taylor like?) bombs did.

    I don't know what you've been watching, but TA has a HOSE. The kid can throw the ball 70 yds. If he put air under the ball, then it's probably because that's what the play called for. He at least CAN throw it on a line down field if need be, something none of our current QBs can do.

    Big Red Phoenix

  • Big Red Phoenix said...

    I don't know what you've been watching, but TA has a HOSE. The kid can throw the ball 70 yds. If he put air under the ball, then it's probably because that's what the play called for. He at least CAN throw it on a line down field if need be, something none of our current QBs can do.

    Is this thread about BA and TA? Or our QB who as an underclassmen was 4 times (5?) Player of the Week versus BCS teams that went to bowls?

    Also, the QB whose presence helped an RB who had never rolled for 2 bills, get 3 bills versus a top 10 team.

    But again, Taylor is not a Heisman candidate, but he was such an upgrade over two the garbage starting QBs from 2009.

    And NO, TA does not have a "hose"--lol

    BigGameJames

  • Big Red Phoenix said...

    I live in Omaha, Nebraska. I've never lived in Texas, and have no ties to Texas. About the only thing I like about Texas is the Dallas Cowboys and the recruits we manage to pull out of there. I don't have any ties to Illinois, either. And I very clearly said that Texas has it's share of bad and mediocre football. I also said that comparing entire states was way too big a sample size. But when you narrow it down to Texas 5A (which is what Tommy played in so is the only one that is really relevant here), the competition he faces week in and week out is night and day better than what Aaron faces.

    You can keep saying there's no way to know that, but when you're playing teams that have several future D1 prospects on them vs teams that are lucky to have one or two, it's pretty obvious to the rest of the world that that means the competition's better. And I think most sane people agree with the premise that competing against better competition makes you better.

    Let me ask you this - have you ever actually BEEN to a Texas 5A football game? Or a high school game with multiple D1 prospects in it anywhere? Perhaps that's why you don't believe anyone can tell the difference, because you haven't had the opportunity to see for yourself.

    We do not know that for certain. You can say it as much as you want, but it doesn't make it so.

    If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion.

    daddyact

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